Halo Extreme after Osta RX?

[heavyiron]

Thanks Everyone for the advice. Trying to get things laid out. Little confused on one thing. If I go 6 wks with Halo X do I take the Anabolic Matrix and Ultra Male. I know the Stack says you take the AM and UM the first 4 wks and the last 4 wks (8 wks).
Whats confusing is I'm reading on some posts is that I hold off on UM and AM and just use for PCT. Just want to be sure I get all the supps. I gotta get another bottle of Halo X, ACS and AM. I already have the E-control and UM.

So if this is right (correct me please)I go 6 weeks Halo X then after 6 weeks I go 4 wks PCT?. Probably need it laid out for a 10 week cycle. If thats the case I guess I take the AM, UM on the 3 week and run it out. I'll probably take the Osta again afterward for a 4 week cycle after PCT. Oh I'd imagine I'd take the E-control on Wk 8. I'll be taking the ACS actually all the time. It has some good stuff!

Wk1-Wk6 Halo X 50/75/75/75/75/75 ACS (already preloading for a while)
Wk3-Wk10 - UM,AM, ACS
Wk8-Wk10-E-control (may get some Nolva just to have if so 40/40/20/20?)

Your proposal is fine.

Nolva may not be needed but if you do use it 20mg daily is fine.

[shrugger]

Thanks. I been taking Creatine with the Osta Rx along with another test booster plus X-Factor (did this before I found Ironmaglabs). Should I stop all other supps when doing the Halo Extreme Cycle. I also take Universals Sterols Complex along with Red Yeast Rice, Fish oil, Vitamin D, Resveratrol 100mg, Cinnamon. ON Multivitamin, Beta Alanine, Universal GH Complex (pill version), AI 3Z at night. Probably forgot something but wanted to check with you guys to make sure if I should or shouldn't take anything during cycle. I know one site said to stop creatine. I been taken DHEA (25mg 2 times a day also) plus Joint support and a probiotic. Been feeling good on the Osta 4 wk cycle but I want to give the Halo a ride then probably Super DMZ and then do Methdrol (already got 2 bottles) but I want to make sure my body will adapt. Sorry for the long list. Figured it be better doing this as a sentence than in a column.

[chrisotpherm]

Thanks. I been taking Creatine with the Osta Rx along with another test booster plus X-Factor (did this before I found Ironmaglabs). Should I stop all other supps when doing the Halo Extreme Cycle. I also take Universals Sterols Complex along with Red Yeast Rice, Fish oil, Vitamin D, Resveratrol 100mg, Cinnamon. ON Multivitamin, Beta Alanine, Universal GH Complex (pill version), AI 3Z at night. Probably forgot something but wanted to check with you guys to make sure if I should or shouldn't take anything during cycle. I know one site said to stop creatine. I been taken DHEA (25mg 2 times a day also) plus Joint support and a probiotic. Been feeling good on the Osta 4 wk cycle but I want to give the Halo a ride then probably Super DMZ and then do Methdrol (already got 2 bottles) but I want to make sure my body will adapt. Sorry for the long list. Figured it be better doing this as a sentence than in a column.

I would drop the test booster if you are going to run a halo stack. 10mg of creatine a day won't hurt you on cycle.

[shrugger]

Thanks. Will do. Can't wait to get the Halo X. Should be starting later this week as soon as I finish the Osta. This is 4th week of it. Yeah I finished the X-Factor (didn't work for me. Soon as I did the Osta I could feel difference) and Test Factor. I gained like 6lbs on the Osta and really wasn't looking to gain. I really got to watch the diet with that stuff. Halo should be the same. I may cut down some but may just diet better and see how it affects me. Osta brought out some extra vascularity too and I weigh 235lbs at little under 5' 10".

[chrisotpherm]

As long as your diet is on check brother you will see some amazing gains. Stay motivated and eat clean for an awesome cycle!

[BiggieSmallz]

Ok, if I may ask, what is the purpose of taking Ultra Male and Anabolic Matrix while ON cycle?? I can see the anabolic matrix, since it's got DIM (and chrysin) which rid the body of excess (especially bad forms of) estrogen, which keeps the man boobs at bay, but the ultra male is a test booster (bulbine), libido and energy enhancer (maca) and free-testosterone booster (via shbg binding of the nettle extract in there), so wouldn't it actually be best to save the Ultra male till PCT? Maybe pre-load it starting the last week of halo? (or every other anabolic on the product list)... just curious cuz I've been seeing different suggestions from different mods as to the best way to run the stack, some say hold off on test boosters till PCT, while the stack online is clearly laid out to include it throughout; leads to confusion. Thanks!

[heavyiron]

Support sups in UM boost libido so some guys like it on cycle.

[BiggieSmallz]

Support sups in UM boost libido so some guys like it on cycle.

Reason for personal confusion on this note is: I heard strange talk of "rebound shutdown", I know this is more of an advanced question but would really appreciate your input on this. I'm familiar with "rebound gyno", the E2 spike post-pct that you've mentioned, which can be avoided with the use of a SERM in PCT, and is only an issue with higher-aromatizing agents like tren or max-lmg. But what the hell is a rebound shutdown? This is the reason I was advised NOT to take test boosters or libido enhancing substances while on cycle, and for the cycle I'm currently running I don't much need the benefits of "enhanced libido" at this time, but I plan on giving the SDMZ 2.0 a whirl after I'm done with the halo and pct, and at that point, I may need the Pvt to be able to stand at attention if things line up properly with the lady friend; soo should I be worried about SDMZ causing shutdown? Or would dosing the UM throughout cycle into PCT be fine?

And what the hell is a "rebound shutdown" so I can understand that tidbit, thanks heavy.

[heavyiron]

Not sure who's broscience is "rebound shutdown" so I'm not going to address this fantasy. Your body will either recover post cycle or it won't. Keep in mind MUCH of what you read on the net is unsupported by studies or is supported erroneously through incorrect studies.

I advise an AI for high E2 post PCT.

Steroids shut down natty production. SDMZ is a steroid. You may replace T or boost libido when shutdown. Some sups boost T and some boost libido through other mechanisms. If you have no libido issues on cycle then these sups are not needed and should be used post cycle.

[BiggieSmallz]

If you're stacking compounds like that (halo, tren), there's not much you can do to avoid shutdown, and really you shouldn't try, as it could complicate things further. Shutdown is something that can be counteracted but only after it occurs, or at least that's the safest way to deal with things, even though there's a chance it won't come back, you still don't want to try and force things ahead of time, because just like rebound gyno, you can cause rebound shutdowns.

So what you're saying, and from what he's saying, is I shouldn't worry about "recovery" till pct? I'm trying to get big AND get laid at the same time, if that's not too much to ask... that's why I was wondering if the UM is going to help avoid shutdown, but I don't want it to cause complications if thats what avoiding shutdown is going to do... So should I just not take the UM till post cycle and save the romance dance till PCT?