What other supplements should be taken while on a pro-hormone?

[lukemancini]

i am 21 and going try ph for my first time and want to do it the right way. Please let me know what other thing i should be taking.
,thanks

[reformathard]

advance cycle support is something that would be helpful, along with fish oil.

[Prince]

we have recommended stacks on our product pages.

[OldSchoolLifter]

Advanced Cycle support should be number one on your list!

You can find the product here.

http://www.ironmaglabs.com/product-list/advanced-cycle-support/

I would also Grab Plenty of Vitamin C to run at 3g daily, This will help keep cortisol down!

[OldSchoolLifter]

Vitamin C keeps Cortisol down? I like this, where do you get your info?
Not that I don't believe you, I just want to know more. Thanks!

Here is a helpful article explaining why! Hope this helps

You will probably not be surprised to learn that you are right. Yes,
there is indeed a connection between Vitamin C, cortisol and stress.
Furthermore, as you surmise, Vitamin C does reduce the excess cortisol
in the system after a stressful incident, or during periods of
prolonged stress. Nor is this merely conjecture, but well-documented
knowledge, supported by a great deal of scientific research and many
studies.

To understand this connection, it might be well to begin with the role
that cortisol plays in the body. Cortisol is, as you said, secreted
by the adrenal glands, which are located atop the kidneys. They are
made up of an outer cortex, which secretes steroids such as cortisol,
and an inner medulla, which secretes other hormones, such as
adrenalin. As a steroid, cortisol is necessary in normal amounts for
the proper functioning of the body.
A fact sheet from Prince Henry Institute of Medical Research in
Australia says that ?Cortisol has diverse important effects on all
parts of the body including:

? mood and wellbeing
? blood vessels and blood pressure
? bones
? muscles and skin
? immune cells and inflammation
? stomach and bowel function

In stress situations, cortisol maintains blood pressure and limits
inappropriate inflammation.? (
http://www.phimr.monash.edu.au/teaching/factsheets/cortisone.html )

However, the article also goes on to state that the effects of excess
cortisol, which include weight gain, suppressed immune function, high
blood pressure and even diabetes, become destructive rather than
positive.

Where vitamin C comes in is that the adrenal glands use it in order to
produce various hormones. According to this technical monograph from
?Physician Formulated Rx Vitamins (with references), ?The adrenal
cortex contains a large quantity of vitamin C. However these stores of
vitamin C can be rapidly depleted during times of stress, and when
ACTH is released from the pituitary (1). In animal studies marginal
vitamin C deficiencies have been found to cause an elevation of
cortisol levels (12). As previously mentioned chronic elevation of
cortisol could lead to many detrimental health conditions. Vitamin C
is vital for the synthesis of epinephrine from the amino acid
tyrosine. Epinephrine is secreted by the adrenal medulla in response
to a stressor. Epinephrine and norepinephrine are responsible for our
fight or flight response to a stressful situation. Epinephrine also
plays a role in blood pressure regulation by acting as part of an
auxiliary electron transport system for the last step of aldosterone
synthesis (13, 14). Aldosterone is a hormone involved in regulating
blood pressure, blood pH and blood volume. Supplementing with vitamin
C while under stress has been shown to have numerous beneficial
effects (15-17) . ? ( http://www.rxvitamins.com/people/adr7tech.asp )

So, if depletion of vitamin C causes excess production of cortisol,
then it stands to reason that supplementation of vitamin C can reduce
excess cortisol production and its associated destructive effects.
This connection between stress and cortisol, and vitamin C, has been
the focus of a great deal of research.

Dr. Hans Selye, a Canadian doctor and researcher, the founder of the
International Institute of Stress at the University of Montreal, is
widely regarded as the pioneer in the field of stress studies, or the
?father of modern stress research. He was the first to document the
relationship of stress to cortisol excess and vitamin C in an article
he published in the British Journal, ?Nature? in 1936. In it he
?reported that the adrenal glands contain the highest concentration in
the body of vitamin C. The adrenal glands make cortisol from vitamin
C. When a person is under stress, the adrenal glands make tremendous
amounts of cortisol and the concentration of vitamin C in them drops.?
( http://www.drmirkin.com/nutrition/9796.html )

Dr. Linus Pauling, recipient of the 1954 Nobel Prize for Chemistry (as
well as the 1962 Nobel Peace Prize), is perhaps the best-known
researcher into the effects of Vitamin C on the human body, and a
strong proponent of its use as both a preventative and curative. The
Linus Pauling Institute at the University of Oregon reported here:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/f-w99/newresearch.html on some new research
on vitamin C. Among other experiments was one studying stress in
rats, with the result that ?.... after the rats were exposed to
stressful situation, those that received vitamin C had .... less
corticosterone, an adrenal hormone related to cortisol, which, in
humans, has been associated with heart disease when chronically
overproduced. Since rats synthesize vitamin C, it is difficult to
extrapolate these results to humans, but Dr. Campbell estimated that
the amount of supplemental vitamin C that produced these beneficial
effects in rats corresponds to an intake of several grams in humans.
These results offer more support to the concept that the need for
vitamin C increases during stress.?

In summary then, your conviction of a link between vitamin C and
cortisol, along with your other assumptions, is absolutely correct.
Stress causes excess cortisol production, which depletes vitamin C.
Vitamin C supplementation in turn reduces excess cortisol, which in
turn ameliorates its destructive effects and helps to counteract the
negative aspects of stress.

Here are some links to more information you might like to pursue:

What does cortisol do? (pg. 57)
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cacheNQacalMKcAJ:www.harpercollins.com/rd-eb/hccom/pdf/0060087005+%22what+does+cortisol+do%22+&hl=en&ie=U TF-8

?Cortisol: The Stress or Death Hormone:?
http://www.3sistersapothecary.com/html/resources/library/cortisol.cfm

Reports on recent research and studies:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/08/990823072615.htm

?The Nature of Stress? by Hans Selye:
http://www.icnr.securesites.com/articles/thenatureofstress.html

Selye and Stress (question and answer article):
http://speedlearning.org/columnboy.php?title=SPEED+READING%3A+Hans+Selye

?Adaptation to Stress and Natural Therapies:?
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:bYn-JWL6pcgJ:www.aapainmanage.org/literature/PainPrac/V10N3_Sandlow_AdaptationToStress.pdf+%22hans+selye %22+%22vitamin+c%22+cortisol+research+OR+study+OR+ report+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

?Adrenal Stress: Measuring and Treating:?
http://www.blooddetective.com/Articles/AdrenalStressMeasuringTreating.htm

Very detailed discussion of the connection between the adrenal glands
and stress:
http://www.pihealth.com/adrenal_glands_and_stress.htm

Detailed abstracts of studies involving Vitamin C. To find those
connected with cortisol, use your browser ?edit? ?find? feature on the
term ?cortisol:?
http://www.lef.org/prod_hp/abstracts/php-ab405c.html

?Adrenal Maladaptation Syndrome: A Sweet Solution For Coping With
Stress?
http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/article.php?article=88

I do hope this information has been helpful to you. If there is
anything you don?t understand, please use the ?Request Clarification?
feature to ask before rating and closing your question so I can be
sure I?ve given you what you?re
looking for by way of information on
the scientifically documented connected between stress, cortisol and
vitamin C. It?s a subject I have a great interest in myself, so I
thank you for the opportunity to research this.

[H4TW]

I'd go with the cycle support or at least use The Vit-C, sawpalmeto, L-car, fish oils, milkthisle, and some coQ10 for vits and minerals. Other things you'll need would be an AI and a serm depending maybe on what you intend to run.