New member to the boards with a few questions regarding Halo Extreme & Super DMZ 3.0

Hello folks

New to the boards here and just registered so that I could ask some questions regarding the above mentioned products prior to commencing (possibly) a cycle with them.

I've been training for almost 14 years now and am currently sitting at 198lb, 5'10" and app. 10% body fat.

I've only ever used pro-hormones once before, and that was Finaflex Nutrition's 1-Alpha which was amazing to say the least.
In an 8 week cycle I put on just shy of 20lb, maintaining the same body fat and keeping all of my gains even up until now.
Diet, rest and training were all 100% on point, as they always are.

The main allure for 1-Alpha was the low side effects; particularly regarding hair loss.
I haven't had any issues with hair loss yet (almost 30 years of age now), however it is something that does concern me.
I've done as much research as possible regarding Halo and SDMZ 3.0 and side effects, but there isn't too much floating around the net regarding hair loss, so either it is an uncommon side effect, or people that experience it simply don't care. I'd like to know from those on the boards with experience with these products whether they experienced such issues.

I'm also curious what the best plan for PCT would be (yes I know there is a HEAP of information about this topic already), as I'm not going to be able to go with all the recommended IronMagLabs products mentioned in many of the threads. These products aren't readily available in my country and cost 3 times more than the RRP. I do have HCG and clomid on hand from my doctor, however I'm not particularly fond of tamoxifen given the numerous medical reports and journals discussing the occurrence of liver cancer that has arisen in people that otherwise had completely healthy livers, who used the drug only for short periods of time for the treatment of breast cancer. I also have Finaflex PCT Revolution Black on hand and DAA, but again, emerging reports of neurotoxicity associated with DAA as an excitotoxin and the potential to cause permanent neuron death have erred me away from this product, which I used quite a lot in the past.

Would love some quick feedback if possible!

Thank you all

I'd also like to add that my only options are again Finaflex 1-Alpha, DMZ 3.0 and/or Halo Extreme.

Health is always first priority for me, then size, and lastly strength.

Thanks again

Osta RX is also available.

I'm now considering 2 bottles of Halo for a first run, and 1 bottle of DMZ for a second - I'm not sure where I'd fit Osta RX into this, though.
I personally don't think it would be wise to run 2 bottles of halo, bridge, and then 1 bottle of DMZ without any break in betwee.

I may be wrong, though, so still looking forward to those replies

I'm on my 3rd cycle of Super DMZ 3.0. I couldn't be happier with the results. It is truly amazing. I've had no issues with side effect other than sleeping better than normal at night. That is hardly a negative though. Cycle support is mandatory. I use IML's Advanced Cycle Support. I also use 4-Andro. Pretty much the stack exactly as suggested. For the first 2 cycles I used 2 caps of 4-Andro daily. I'm trying 4 caps this time around. Too early to tell if that is making a difference.

For PCT I used Clomid, ACS and Ultra Male.

I've tried Osta during a cut. It is hard for me to say how it compares with DMZ since I've only used DMZ during bulks. I can tell you the cut was very successful though. I stack Osta with 4-Andro.

What country are you in?

Thanks for the replies, gents!

I'm in Australia, and whilst ordering things from overseas is really hit and miss, some places do stock a few of the more
difficult to attain supplements. 4-Andro isn't on that attainable list unfortunately - the only PHs being halo extreme, sdmz 3.0 and finaflex 1-alpha.

I have 6 or so tubs of AIS Nutrition Cycle Support powder on hand so I'm good to
go there. It's just choosing what to buy that's the hard part.

I could go with what I know and run the Alpha again which is certainly nice due to it being non-methylated, or be adventurous and try one of the other two; or both.

Apparently the halo could cause quite a drop in libido without a test base, which I do not have. Is this also an issue with the dmz or does one of the compounds in the mix compensate as a test base?

Decisions, decisions!
Very difficult

And regarding the hair loss - dymethazine and methylstenbolone both appear to be DHT derivatives which would imply hair loss may be a potential side effect if predisposed to such. But then again, 1-Alpha which converts to 1-Testosterone is also derived from DHT and I experienced no hair loss with that compound at a high dose.

I see that 4-Andro acts as a test base so I guess that the three compounds in DMZ do not
include a test base such as 4-Andro.

Mmm, this complicates matters slightly as I would like to avoid a drop in libido; particularly over Christmas time.
I have already made plans to use my penis.

EDIT

Turns out 4-Andro is in fact available!

Still no replies .. that's a bit disappointing!

It may also be worth noting that I have a box of Testogel 50mg (30 packets) which was prescribed to me by my endo over 3 years ago which I never ended up using as I wasn't comfortable with TRT at that time.
Would this perhaps serve as a better test base than 4-Andro, or is 50mg not enough?

After another 30 or so hours of research, I am considering the following -

Week 1 to 4 -
DMZ@ 2 caps daily
HCG @ 250iu 2x per week
(possibly) 4-andro @ 2 caps daily
(possibly) Testogel @ 1 packet daily

If required -
Arimidex @ .25mg e3d

Week 5 to 8
PCT revolution black @ 2 caps daily (arimistane)
Ultra Male RX
Clomid @ 50mg daily
(possibly) DAA @ 3gm daily

Would really appreciate some feedback as I would like to start with this within the next week, but will not do so until I'm satisfied that I'm doing the right thing.

Thanks all.

I've used 2 caps of 4-Andro with Super DMZ through 2 cycles and I'm using 4 caps this time. I have no experience with HCG or Testogel, so can't help you there.

PCT I use Clomid and Ultra male.

Don't forget liver support throughout the cycle and PCT. I use ACS for that.

Thanks York.

I guess the next big question, which will also be largely responsible for my final decision, is how much of your gains have you managed to keep over your cycles?
Most of the posts I've read have indicated that it's extremely difficult to maintain the massive gains you make off SDMZ, unless you bridge with a SARM like Ostarine, which essentially isn't really coming off cycle.
For someone like myself who is planning to blast for 4 weeks and then come off completely, I am concerned as to whether this cycle would be a waste for me.

Given that I put on almost 20lb on a MUCH milder compound with 1-Alpha, I think I can expect some enormous gains with SDMZ, but if I'm not going to keep most of them, then it may be better to run with something mild like 1-Alpha again, as I did manage to maintain after coming off. 1-Alpha is similar to the Alpha-1 in SDMZ, albeit much milder, and I did get chronic lethargy whilst using it as I didn't incorporate a test base into that cycle. Either way, I think it would be wise for me to perhaps add some 4-Andro even if I run with Finaflex again.

NPNG said:

Thanks York.

I guess the next big question, which will also be largely responsible for my final decision, is how much of your gains have you managed to keep over your cycles?
Most of the posts I've read have indicated that it's extremely difficult to maintain the massive gains you make off SDMZ, unless you bridge with a SARM like Ostarine, which essentially isn't really coming off cycle.
For someone like myself who is planning to blast for 4 weeks and then come off completely, I am concerned as to whether this cycle would be a waste for me.

Given that I put on almost 20lb on a MUCH milder compound with 1-Alpha, I think I can expect some enormous gains with SDMZ, but if I'm not going to keep most of them, then it may be better to run with something mild like 1-Alpha again, as I did manage to maintain after coming off. 1-Alpha is similar to the Alpha-1 in SDMZ, albeit much milder, and I did get chronic lethargy whilst using it as I didn't incorporate a test base into that cycle. Either way, I think it would be wise for me to perhaps add some 4-Andro even if I run with Finaflex again.

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Maintaining gains is all about running a proper PCT, keeping cals high, and weights heavy...simple as that.

Last cycle I gained 14.5 lbs and 1.6lbs of that was fat. I maintained my weight through PCT then went on a cut. I maintained 12.1lbs of the LBM.