I've taken a couple AAS cycles and now looking to try my second PH cycle. I want to run an M Sten Rx cycle soon. I was wondering if anyone had opinions on whether to stack it with 4-Andro. I've seen lots of logs with people stacking them together and having nice gains, but I'm also reading some people say that you need to run 4-AD in high dosages or it's ineffective, that it doesn't have much effect on overall mass/strength gain, and it may help reduce some lethargy. Is a "test base" really that necessary for an M Sten Cycle? Would a solo cycle/cycle support be just fine? I am leaning towards throwing the 4-AD in (why not, can't hurt) but just seeing if anyone has some advice...
M Sten/ 4-AD - Help Needed
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You can only benefit from including 4-Andro; I like 4 caps daily. Take 2 with 1 cap of M-Sten in the am, 2 with 1 cap of M-Sten in the pm.
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This is my current cycle dosage/schedule except I'm using Epi Andro in place of 4-Andro.
EB, any major differences in using EA (4caps) vs 4-Andro with Msten 20mg/daily?
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EA converts to DHT, 4-A converts to test...basically EA is drier.
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Ok, got it, thanks EB
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No probOk, got it, thanks EB
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I like running epi andro with msten but I would def say run some sort of base with it. 4 andro 1 andro something. Will def help with the lethargy and getting shutdown.
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Yea. I thought Epi Andro would work like 4 or 1 Andro. But lethargic is 10x worse than my solo SDMZ run.
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1-Andro may add to lethargy, especially when stacked. I haven't experienced it on solo runs or stacked with Osta, but may not be ideal with a methyl.
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4-andro is my number one choice stacked with any designer unless I can get my hands on a vial of Watson Cypionate =)
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^^^ this. Although I haven't run epi andro , I have run 4andro @ 2 caps daily with msten @ 3 caps daily and dude....I would have never believed the gains I had if I hadn't experienced them myself. 4andro at 4 caps daily is what I'd recommend although I ran 4 andro at 2 caps daily with msten, I ran it at 4caps daily with super dmz 3.0 and I like 4 caps of 4andro daily better.
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When guys dial in nutrition and training and use these products they blow the F up!
Thank you for the review brother.
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No problem. Oh yea, diet is key. In fact it still stands true (and this in still opinionated numbers) that even on cycle its 70-80% nutrition. I always aim or the 2-1 carb-protein ratio when using methylated compounds as strong as methystenbolone. It's just what I believe the compound is for.
Sure u can use it while cutting but there are less harsh compounds u can use while cutting that will still able you to pack in muscle. Save the msten To bulk IMO unless u just like pumping the harsh shit every cycle...down with sickness to get the thickness so to speak. But yes, msten is some of the most potent s**t I've ever taken and I've always ran AAS before I used prohormone. Diet and get the most out of it.
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1 andro would def add to the lethargy. 4 andro probably best bet.the epi andro always helped me with libido but the lethargy def the 4andro
Honestly 4andro doesn't help my libido at all but i can't really compare since i use EA with Epitren and 4AD with msten. But my drive and energy was through the roof with ET/EA dose at 6ED/4ED, and with Msten/4A dosed at 3ED/4ED my energy and libido suffered quite noticably. No homo to talk about this but on msten/4ad if I took to long to switch positions I had to achieve "stiffness" all over again. With ET/EA I had the opposite problem. It's not fair to bash on msten/4ad as everyone is different. I hear people swear by it and it might work incredible for some people, but its just not for me. My advice try a few and see what you enjoy.
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Really? Wow. Interesting. I'm the exact opposite as u. Eh, one of those things I guess. Goes to show, can't expect the same as next guy
Yeah I honestly went to msten from reading your log haha. It wasn't bad I mean I made decent gains but it definitely wasn't anything like my ET/EA cycle. The feeling and gains were incredible to me and hard for me to try anything else due to that.
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No sh*t? I just order that same msten cycle I did last cuz super dmz 3.0 was quite a good IMO. And I was really considering epitren. Hmm. May do that next go. One question I had. Even tho it's a alternative to tren does an anti prolactin and anti progesterone needed for epitren? Like prami? Just curious
I've been told it doesn't require anything to combate prolactin based gyno, however, I utilize a tiny caber cap twice a week which is nothing compared to the PH's i down daily just in case. Everyone is different however. I'm very sensative to gyno and with ET I barely noticed anything but with msten my nipples are very sore now and one has greatly visibly increased in size. After this next cycle I will be getting my second gyno surgery. I honestly couldn't imagine anything aside from tren at this point, even considering taking the not so oral route ^_~ when I return state side. But I can say there is not 1 aspect of Epitren/Epiandro I was not absolutely more than satisfied with. The feeling, the energy, the alphaness, the strength, and the size I got was incredible. But I am sensative to certain things I suppose. First time I took ultramale rx i had about a 5 hour stiffy. I had to break the cap drop out half of it, covered the open part with a tiny bit of gum to keep the contents intact until it hit my stomach and enjoy.
