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Wesley VS. R-Andro Rx by Iron Mag Labs

WesleyInman

Super Moderator

Thank you Iron Mag Labs for allowing me to log this product.

R-Andro by IML. Aka R-Dhea. Aka Androsterone. I will be comparing this to the older Super Epi Andro Rx as well as Primordial Performances Andro Hard Version 1.

Let me be the first to say, yes I am a REP for IML. I have had excellent experiences with all their products. With that being said and done I will give 100% honest feedback on this product. AndroHard and Epiandro are my favorite compound of all time, so I am primarily looking to see how this version compares to the other two, while giving you guys an idea of effects, side effects, etc..while on a somewhat high dosage.

I will be running 600mgs ED. Will update how I dose it daily, but game plan is to do 200mgs 3x per day. I may drop down to 400mgs on days off, but I may not. Time will tell. The only other compounds I will be running are Pre-workouts and Protein as you will see pictured. Meth Lab, My personal product Ultimate Orange Juiced, and Raw Dynamix Problend and Whey Protein.

I will post current stats and workout details on DAY 1- Please stay tuned, this is starting ASAP!




I will be posting regarding the following:

Strength
Muscle Hardness
Size
Endurance
Cardio Function
Vascularity
Aggression
Anger
Depression
Overall Mood
Acne
Oily Skin
Changes in mood/temperment
Agression in the Gym

How this effects Sex
Sex Drive
Any sexually related issues
Nightmares
Night Sweats
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves
Hair thinning
Hair Darkening
Hair growth
Heartburn



**Please subscribe and Please feel free to ask any and all questions about this product. I will be logging at least 3x per week. Please be advised this is my busy time of year for me, training and my supplement store, so please limit all questions to the body of this thread. I rarely if ever check PM's. Thank you!!**



BRIEF DESCRIPTION of the Compound Below


by Mike Arnold

For those of you who have been following the sports supplement scene for a while, you may be familiar with a compound known as androsterone. First released about 8-9 years ago, this non-methylated DHEA derivative quickly became one of the best selling products in its class. Marketed as a non-toxic strength gainer with distinct muscle hardening effects and alpha-male promoting characteristics, many found it to be the perfect complement to their OTC regimen. However, pending legal troubles and high production costs soon put an end to this once popular prohormone. Since then we’ve seen a few attempts at reintroduction, but if using consumer reviews as a means of product evaluation, it appears that more recent formulations have fallen short in terms of effectiveness. But what exactly is androsterone and what makes it stand out from the other DHEA-based prohormones on the market?

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Technically, androsterone is an active a neurosteroid, but is known mostly for its ability to convert to DHT. In this regard, it is often compared to the more widely used, yet much less costly epiandrosterone, as both convert to DHT through the same two-step conversion process (Androsterone/Epiandrosterone-->Androstanediol/Androstanedione-->DHT). In fact, they are essentially the same compound from a molecular standpoint, differing only by isomer. With such close similarities in terms of both structure and metabolism, many have viewed these compounds as one in the same. However, even a brief a review of the literature quickly debunks such a notion, revealing significant differences between these hormones on multiple levels. One indication of this dissimilarity is found in Vida (an AAS reference guide), which lists androsterone as being a considerably more potent androgen than epiandrosterone; a fact confirmed repeatedly through real-world use.

Still, compared to a steroid like testosterone, androsterone in its unconverted state provides little in the way of anabolic effects (it possesses about 1/7th the androgenic potency of testosterone). Its primary function is that of a neurosteroid and pheromone, while also serving as the base material for conversion to other active metabolites. Having been extensively marketed as a prohormone, most are familiar with this aspect of its function, but much fewer seem to be aware of its ability to alter brain activity. As an inhibitory neurosteroid, androsterone works as a modulator of the GABA receptor, which is responsible for regulating communication between brain cells specific to brain and nervous system functioning. With stress-reducing, rewarding, pro-social, anti-depressant, anxiolytic, analgesic, neuroprotective, and pro-sexual effects, the GABA receptor’s ability to influence mood and overall wellbeing is well documented. Given androsterone’s pronounced effect in this area, one should not be surprised to learn that this aspect of its character plays a central role in shaping the overall “feel” of the drug—one which, according to user reviews, is largely appreciated and preferable to that of many other prohormones.

By viewing androsterone as the sum total of all its metabolites in the conversion chain, rather than a singular hormone with a limited scope of action, we are better able to comprehend its overall character and potential physiological effects. Even a steroid like testosterone, although rarely viewed as a prohormone by those who administer AAS for purposes of performance enhancement, must be evaluated in the same way, as its predisposition for conversion to DHT and estrogen enables it to have a much broader range of effects in the body than testosterone alone. While this is generally understood and accounted for by the majority of testosterone users, the same can’t be said for compounds marketed specifically as prohormones, despite the fact that they frequently display activity at all points in the conversion chain.

Furthermore, androsterone’s role as a neurosteroid and pheromone has not been fully elucidated, leaving us with only a partial understanding of its effects on both the host and those who come in contact with it via pheromone transmission. Muddying up the waters a little more is the fact that it can convert back and forth between DHT and androsterone, making it impossible to determine with any accuracy its conversion rate to DHT, or any intermediary metabolite for that matter. This lack of a pre-determined endpoint is not necessarily a good or bad thing, but it does make it difficult to tell exactly how much of its beneficial effects are attributable to each hormone. None the less, androsterone has been shown to provide DHT-like effects, so instead of focusing on what we don’t know, let’s look at what we do know.

As a 5a-reduced metabolite, neither androsterone, nor any of its metabolites are capable of converting to estrogen, making the use of an aromatase inhibitor wholly unnecessary and even counterproductive (at least while on-cycle). Overall, side effects appear to be pretty mild. Without the ability to aromatize and being unable to bind to the estrogen receptor, estrogenic side effects are non-existent. In terms of androgenic sides, they are also relatively mild, especially in comparison to more potent androgens like trenbolone or testosterone. Obviously, DHT itself is a potent androgen, so any elevation in DHT levels will increase the likelihood of experiencing androgenic side effects such as acne, hair loss, etc. However, anecdotal reports reveal that this isn’t an issue for the majority of users, despite the presence of DHT-like effects on the user’s musculature, strength levels, and mental state. A likely explanation for this disparity is that androsterone derives a substantial portion of its effects from both the parent compound and intermediary metabolites, rather than DHT alone.

One of the most popular reasons to use androsterone is to help off-set the deleterious effects that many OTC cycles can have on mood and functioning. Without testosterone as part of one’s cycle, endogenous testosterone production plummets, leaving the user with deficient DHT levels and a bevy of potential side effects, including loss of libido, sexual dysfunction, and lethargy. Androsterone can eliminate this negative aspect of OTC steroid use by helping to normalize DHT concentrations in the bloodstream. Although DHT has gotten a bad rap in some circles due to its association with hair loss (genetically determined) and benign prostatic hyperplasia, the reality is that DHT is essential for optimal functioning and good health. It is particularly valuable to bodybuilders/strength athletes, as it initiates a plethora of beneficial effects on both the mind and body.

One of these is fat loss. With clinical research demonstrating the ability of DHT to increase the production of epinephrine and cyclic amp, fat loss is accelerated through both an increase in lipolysis and the conversion of TSH to T4. DHT also antagonizes estrogen, thereby mitigating estrogen-induced side effects like gynecomastia, water retention, and female fat pattern distribution in those using aromatizable drugs. This promotes a hard, dry appearance, particularly in those with sufficiently low bodyfat. Another mechanism by which DHT works to enhance athletic performance is through strength enhancement, which it accomplishes by improving neurological efficiency. When it comes to gaining a mental edge, few steroids can hold a candle to DHT. Through alterations to our neurochemistry, DHT is able to improve cognition, motivation, self-confidence, energy, aggression, focus, and even elevate our mood.

In terms of HPTA suppression, androsterone is generally mild, although when administered at higher doses a short PCT may be required. It is interesting to note that androsterone been shown to improve the lipid profile, with clinical trials revealing a reduction in cholesterol levels in test subjects. As you can see, androsterone is a complex hormone with a variety of beneficial effects generated through multiple different pathways, many of which are directly applicable to the goals of a bodybuilder/athlete. For those of you who are already using illegal AAS, you will find little need for prohormones of this nature, simply because their effects can be replicated with greater potency when using more traditional drugs. However, for those of you who have chosen to abstain from controlled substances, androsterone makes a solid stacker with more hypertrophic OTC prohormones.
 

KJT79

New member
By the looks, this will be a very thorough log. Will be following closely. Thank you WesleyInman
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Thank you all for the kind words and for following!!!! Appreciated

DAY 1-

Starting Bodyweight= 206lbs


Past few months I have been going through the motions a bit. Time constraints and small injuries have been pestering me. Primarily a small Pec strain at the insert and into the bicep, and a small issue in my hip flexor. So I have not been training super heavy or doing a ton of volume.


My goal here is body recomp, see if my strength increases and muscle hardening which will improve appearance. Will do midsection as well..


Will get a BEFORE photo up this week at some point.


WORKOUT


Warmup for 10minutes


Wide Grip Bench Press-
135x20
225x10
225x10
315x10


Wesley Inman Traps
45x30
45x30
45x20


Seated Cable Rows
75x20
150x15
200x10
300(rack) x 10


Standing Military Press
135x10
225x8


(Here is some older footage to show how these look. I did hit a PR a few months ago. I hit this for 12 reps @ 205BW..which for me is not bad at all!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysjd9DgkMUI


Pulldowns
100x10
200x10


Called it a day. Short on time. Didn't get to do abs, but might later.


Hitting it again 2morrow.
300mgs in the am and 300mgs in the afternoon.
So far, I feel good, and no anger on this dosage.
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
DAY 2-


Leg Day-

Took 300mgs of R-Andro with my PWO Ultimate Orange Juiced 45 mins prior to workout.



Warmup-


Leg Extensions

50x20

80x20

100x20

Squats

45x20

45x20

135x10

225x10

315x10

405x6 (hip flexor and groin started to bother me again, dropping down weight)

315x10 5 second pauses at the bottom)



Deadlifts

135x10

315x10

500x10 with straps and momentum, not stopping after each rep.

Seated Calf Raises

45x20

90x20

135x10

180x10

225x10



Hanging Ab Raises

Bodyweight x10
x10

x10



Called it a day. Felt awesome energy wise today. I don't generally work out in the am, and I barely ate and I had plenty of energy and drive in the gym. I def feel a bit stronger this morning. Again, product doesn't bother me at all. 300mgs of epiandro in one dosage would make me angry. And trust me on this. I have run it no less then 10 cycles in the past few years...I know this compound.



No anger. Better mood. Motivated and great workout again today.

Noticed a slight increase in hunger about an hour after my doses both days, am and pm.


Also I have to baby my left hip flexor. I wanted to go heavier, but honestly 405 has been bugging me..anything less is ok. I have actually only been doing 405 for singles for the past month, so today is the first day I pushed it a bit. I am happy..but at rep 6, I knew to rack the weight. Feel a pinch in my groin on the same side as well which is new. Nothing serious, but I certainly would rather be safe then sorry.

Can't wait for 2morrows session.

What I can say about this or any supplement, is when I get on a product, and/or do a log, I get super motivated again. So this is a positive, call it placebo effect if you will. I feel this product already. If you asked my honest opinion already, even though it's still brand new to me..I'd say it's acting slightly different then Epiandro. But again, lets give this more time. I don't want to jump the gun, just explaining what I am feeling so far.
 

Chad Frazier

New member
As always I know we will be getting nothing but an excellent log.Looking forward to watching the progress of this myself. Be easy on the injuries Wes. Good to see you trucking through regardless. I loved the versions I ran of this. So looking forward to seeing how this version pans out
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
As always I know we will be getting nothing but an excellent log.Looking forward to watching the progress of this myself. Be easy on the injuries Wes. Good to see you trucking through regardless. I loved the versions I ran of this. So looking forward to seeing how this version pans out

Hey Chad!!!! So happy to see you here. And ty for being here. You are gonna love Randro better then Epiandro. Can't wait til you try it.


UPDATE:

Patrick Arnold was sent a bottle of this to test today!! Awaiting lab testing.



Day 3-|

Biceps and Triceps




Warmup 5 minutes

Bicep Supinated Dumbell Curls



20x10

30x10

50x10

65x10



Tricep Pushdowns (cables)

50x20

80x20

100x20

EZ Bar Curls

40x20

60x20

80x20



Skullcrushers

40x20

50x20

60x20



Hanging Ab Raises

Bodyweight x 10

x10



And that is it. I had 35 minutes to workout and this was what I could accomplish. Very light workout, but here are the reasons. I got to the gym and let me admit, my legs were so sore from the Leg Day before. My body just felt exhausted. I generally believe in taking the day off after any leg day, but I was just so motivated with this compound that I went. Woke up today thursday and not even sore one bit. This to me signals my recovery is far better on this product. I always am the most sore 48 hours later, and I am no longer sore at all today. This is important to recognize.

So anyways, the pumps I am getting already are skin stretching. The muscle is getting so hard at this dosage that I have to say I am VERY surprised.


What I have to say so far, is that I have ZERO anger. I have better energy big time. More aggression, libido is through the roof. My appetite is through the roof. Hungry all day and night. Mood is better and recovery is better.



Discussion of this product:

What people need to understand about this product or an epiandro or DHT compound like winny or var, these are body recomp products. I hear guys saying they ran epiandro at 400mgs ED and they were 30% bodyfat trying to bulk and they were mildly impressed. Of course you were. For this compound to shine, you need to be pretty lean already, or you need to be leaning out with a thermogenic for it to work best.

This will reveal muscles like no other compound. Rdhea and epiandro that is. The muscles get harder and literally just pop through the skin. You have the drying effecf, so you will see striations quickly that you never saw before.


Also you have to run this at solid dosages to truly "feel it" If you take one bottle for a month at 200mgs, you aren't going to see much. You really wanna run it 3-400mgs ED on the low end and run it 30-60 days. You want to be on a high protein diet. Also DHT compounds respond well to Fast Twitch exercises. So use explosive movements. Use Momentum. Do Plyometrics. On your abs, breathe all the air out on the positive portion of each crunch or situp. What I am saying is change your workout to explosive movements. Even if you keep the same workout exercises, do your reps faster, exert power on your reps.

Watch your body transform.



If you are prone to hair loss and want to run this product long term..then get Nizroal 2% or Pura D Or from my store- GYMnTONIC. These products, you rub dimesized amount into scalp ED, or EOD and let sit 5-10 minutes. Rinse and dry. This will not only keep your hairline, it will thicken and often show signs of new regrowth.

Anyways, back to Randro. IML confirmed they are sending the Product to Patrick Arnold for testing. I have zero reservation to say already this product is acting different from epiandro, and I have no reason to believe it is anything other then R-Dhea. Most people think this cannot be produced. They also said that about trest and look at the treasure that product turned out to be.


Don't take my word for it. Look at all the other Randro threads going around.

People are raving about this, and should be.
 

Chad Frazier

New member
Hey Chad!!!! So happy to see you here. And ty for being here. You are gonna love Randro better then Epiandro. Can't wait til you try it.


UPDATE:

Patrick Arnold was sent a bottle of this to test today!! Awaiting lab testing.



Day 3-|

Biceps and Triceps




Warmup 5 minutes

Bicep Supinated Dumbell Curls



20x10

30x10

50x10

65x10



Tricep Pushdowns (cables)

50x20

80x20

100x20

EZ Bar Curls

40x20

60x20

80x20



Skullcrushers

40x20

50x20

60x20



Hanging Ab Raises

Bodyweight x 10

x10



And that is it. I had 35 minutes to workout and this was what I could accomplish. Very light workout, but here are the reasons. I got to the gym and let me admit, my legs were so sore from the Leg Day before. My body just felt exhausted. I generally believe in taking the day off after any leg day, but I was just so motivated with this compound that I went. Woke up today thursday and not even sore one bit. This to me signals my recovery is far better on this product. I always am the most sore 48 hours later, and I am no longer sore at all today. This is important to recognize.

So anyways, the pumps I am getting already are skin stretching. The muscle is getting so hard at this dosage that I have to say I am VERY surprised.


What I have to say so far, is that I have ZERO anger. I have better energy big time. More aggression, libido is through the roof. My appetite is through the roof. Hungry all day and night. Mood is better and recovery is better.



Discussion of this product:

What people need to understand about this product or an epiandro or DHT compound like winny or var, these are body recomp products. I hear guys saying they ran epiandro at 400mgs ED and they were 30% bodyfat trying to bulk and they were mildly impressed. Of course you were. For this compound to shine, you need to be pretty lean already, or you need to be leaning out with a thermogenic for it to work best.

This will reveal muscles like no other compound. Rdhea and epiandro that is. The muscles get harder and literally just pop through the skin. You have the drying effecf, so you will see striations quickly that you never saw before.


Also you have to run this at solid dosages to truly "feel it" If you take one bottle for a month at 200mgs, you aren't going to see much. You really wanna run it 3-400mgs ED on the low end and run it 30-60 days. You want to be on a high protein diet. Also DHT compounds respond well to Fast Twitch exercises. So use explosive movements. Use Momentum. Do Plyometrics. On your abs, breathe all the air out on the positive portion of each crunch or situp. What I am saying is change your workout to explosive movements. Even if you keep the same workout exercises, do your reps faster, exert power on your reps.

Watch your body transform.



If you are prone to hair loss and want to run this product long term..then get Nizroal 2% or Pura D Or from my store- GYMnTONIC. These products, you rub dimesized amount into scalp ED, or EOD and let sit 5-10 minutes. Rinse and dry. This will not only keep your hairline, it will thicken and often show signs of new regrowth.

Anyways, back to Randro. IML confirmed they are sending the Product to Patrick Arnold for testing. I have zero reservation to say already this product is acting different from epiandro, and I have no reason to believe it is anything other then R-Dhea. Most people think this cannot be produced. They also said that about trest and look at the treasure that product turned out to be.


Don't take my word for it. Look at all the other Randro threads going around.

People are raving about this, and should be.
Wouldn't miss out on this log. Couple questions Wes. When was the last time you ran anything and what other supps you taking at the moment.
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Wouldn't miss out on this log. Couple questions Wes. When was the last time you ran anything and what other supps you taking at the moment.

Hey man, HRT on and off during the year. And no other orals for quite some time, tbh..Can't even remember, but last thing I ran months ago was SUPER NOR ANDRO...had to be 3-4months ago at the least.

Nothing else, except what is mentioned!!! Ty again for being here :)



Update Days 5 &6-



Will combine both days into one post.


Day 5- Shoulder /Back day

Had 30minutes for this session. Pec is actually bothering me today and therefore shoulder pressing is bothersome.


Seated Military Dumbells (per hand)

25x20

50x20

80x20

Wesley Inman Trap Shrugs

45x20

45x25

45x30





Dumbell Rows- weight per hand

55x10

80x10

120x10

120x10


Called it a day. Very little time and really did alot of explosive motions with the lesser weight, nice negative on each. Got a great pump.


Pump is one thing I am noticing on this compound, more then normal. The pumps on this dosage, especially when I take it PWO are awesome



Day 6- Leg Day (2nd one this week)



Changed it up and decided to do leg presses, which I despise, but it's something different. I have 40minutes to train on this day, So not gonna go crazy



Lower the weight all the way to the bottom, Pause for 5 seconds, explode up on each set.



Leg Press-plates per side

1platex20

2x20

3x10- + calf raise X10

4x10 + calf raise X10

5x10 + calf raise X10



Leg Extensions

50x20

100x20

150x20

200 (rack) x 15



Standing Calf Raises

135x20

225x20





More info-



Called it a day. I must mention on Day 6 i took 300mgs PWO mixed in my pwo drink about 45 mins prior to workout. Workout energy and aggression was awesome. Strength was solid. All sets were effortless. Endurance was improved.


Today is Day 7 typing this, and this is an off day, just resting. I am not sore. My recovery is much faster on this product so far. Strength is good, aggression is good, mood is awesome, libido is awesome. No anger, No acne, no other sides at all to mention.


I actually look forward to my daily dosages, because I feel really good an hour after I take it. And it lasts for hours.



I also feel a bit warmer on this product. GF mentioned she sees my midsection thinning out as the rest of me is getting more striations. I would say this is an accurate representation this far in.

Hoping to train 2morrow. Very Motivated on this compound.
 

Hotplate38

New member
Hey man, HRT on and off during the year. And no other orals for quite some time, tbh..Can't even remember, but last thing I ran months ago was SUPER NOR ANDRO...had to be 3-4months ago at the least.

Wesley, how was your experience with Super-Nor-Andro? (gains and results). What dosage were you using? I haven't seen that many reviews or logs of Super-Nor-Andro. How would you compare it to 1-andro or 4-andro?
 

Strong_Guy

New member
Wesley, how was your experience with Super-Nor-Andro? (gains and results). What dosage were you using? I haven't seen that many reviews or logs of Super-Nor-Andro. How would you compare it to 1-andro or 4-andro?

I can offer a quick little blip about the Super Nor Andro. I ran it for 8 weeks at 300 mg/day stacked with Super 4 Andro and really liked it. I would say it compares quite a bit to 1-Andro minus the negative side. I experience quite a bit of lethargy and libido always seems to take a hit with 1-Andro, but it delivers solid gains. Nor Andro gave comparable gains without the sides, decent size and strength gains and virtually no sides whatsoever, very smooth run. I will be running it again, I liked it that much. I think it could potentially stack well with R-Andro, I'm actually considering that stack for later this spring.
 
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WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Wesley, how was your experience with Super-Nor-Andro? (gains and results). What dosage were you using? I haven't seen that many reviews or logs of Super-Nor-Andro. How would you compare it to 1-andro or 4-andro?

Good. I liked it. But I ran 4-6 caps ED. Tried it at 2caps ED for a bit and didn't notice it. Solid. Reminds me of legit Nandrolone, just lower dosage. Clean and only sides were some acne.

I can offer a quick little blip about the Super Nor Andro. I ran it for 8 weeks at 300 mg/day stacked with Super 4 Andro and really liked it. I would say it compares quite a bit to 1-Andro minus the negative side. I experience quite a bit of lethargy and libido always seems to take a hit with 1-Andro, but it delivers solid gains. Nor Andro gave comparable gains without the sides, decent size and strength gains and virtually no sides whatsoever, very smooth run. I will be running it again, I liked it that much. I think it could potentially stack well with R-Andro, I'm actually considering that stack for later this spring.

Awesome. I was actually gonna let him know that you had a good experience with it too. Ty for taking time to answer this, much appreciated and super happy to see you here!
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Update DAY 13-

I apologize I had another workout and day to post on Friday but was too busy.

Anyways, today is Day 13 using this compound.


I will do a 2 week evaluation using the guidelines I mentioned on Day 1 this week.


Still super happy with this product:



Leg Day:



Leg Extensions

50x20

100x20

150x20 warmups



Leg Press Warmups

1plate per sidex20

2x20

2x20


Squats (ATG)

135x10

135x10 warmups

225x10

315x10

405x2....called it here. These reps went up effortless, but at the lower portion of the lift, I feel the issue in my Hip Flexor and do not want to make this worse. Instantly racked it and called it a day for this reason. Frustrating because honesty I am feeling very strong and motivated and want to go heavier.



Here's some old video to show how easy 405 usually is for me. And it's easier now, but this injury is keeping me from reps and going any heavier. Super irritating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E8LewUKcxk

Seated Calf Raises (pause at bottom on each rep, and at top of each rep for 5 seconds)

1platex20

2x10

3x10

4x10

5x10



What I should also mention is I have been doing 300mgs 2x per day on workout days, and 200mgs, 3x per day on non workout days. I also have been using 300mgs, emptying the caps into my PWO about 45 minutes prior to each workout. The result is awesome. I feel awesome, much stronger and motivated, and blood pressure spikes are not happening.


All the effects I have mentioned are continuiing. Libido is extremely high. Way higher then it was on epi andro, and way way higher then it was prior to starting this compound.


Clothes are not fitting already. I look alot bigger, and I am alot harder, midsection is much thinner and ripped. I think I might be up a few pounds and the hardening of the muscles is making me look alot bigger. Getting alot of compliments. My gf is very happy with me being on this compound too ;)
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
500lbs no hands squat... That's fucking sick


Thanx man. Taught myself to do these a decade ago when I broke my acronium process (shoulder), torn labrum and rotator. Couldn't do upper body for about 3-4 months, so only did legs. Wanted to squat as I hate leg press, so taught myself these. Now I just do them because they are harder, total circus act though now.


Update-
I will be taking a day or two off from the gym. Supposed to go today but not feeling 100%, might have caught a slight virus that is going around, a bit of fever, etc..so gonna take the day off. Also I must say, my pec is really beat up. I didn't post a workout that I did the other day, meant to, but my pec has a pretty nasty strain/light tear. Its bruised and definitely hurts to raise my arm over my head, so the remainder of this log, it's very unlikely I will not hit any chest movements at all-



2 week REVIEW

Strength- Excellent Strength Increases on this compound. Overall very noticeable. Also when I take PWO, I notice strength gains immediately.
Muscle Hardness-
Much harder, just like with epi andro or other DHT derivatives. Also I am less flexible at this point already.
Size-
I have put on a few lbs..so maybe a tiny bit bigger, but I "look" bigger, since I am leaner, harder and my midsection is getting super tight on Randro.
Endurance-
Cannot really say with endurance. Strength and motivation has been so good, so I have worked harder and that might be a reason for increased endurance.
Cardio Function--
Not noticing increases or decreases too much. Again if anything from me working harder overall, that would be a reason.
Vascularity-
Def. improved. Vascularity and skin is drier, so midsection is way more revealed.
Aggression-
In a positive way I am more aggressive, especially in the gym. No anger or frustration.
Anger-
None I am more calm actually
Depression-
Zero. Mood is way better
Overall Mood-
Huge mood improvements. Feel very good and happy on this compound.
Acne-
NONE
Oily Skin-
NONE
Changes in mood/temperment-
Improvements only!
Agression in the Gym-
Good solid aggression for the gym on this compound. Makes me super motivated
How this effects Sex- Improved erection quality and quantity, Improved libido, Improved Aggression
Sex Drive-
Increased!
Any sexually related issues -
NONE, this compound does create only improvements for me
Nightmares-
NONE
Night Sweats-
NONE
Any conversion to gyno/pre-gyno-
NONE
liver or kidney issues if they present themselves-
NONE
Hair thinning-
NONE
Hair Darkening-
Yes facial hair is darker for sure
Hair growth-
Yes facial hair is growing more, hair on top of head coming in quicker, also noticing some body hair coming in, in little increments (shoulders, chest)
Heartburn-
Yes but only if you take on an empty stomach. If you eat first, I have not once had heartburn which is awesome.

Other Notes: I will still say that appetite is up, motivation is up, looking bigger, leaner, stronger, and feeling better. Without doubt I have no issue saying that I would like to run this compound for a very long time straight. The only thing i will do different is maybe drop down to 3-400mgs ED, so I can afford to run it long term. Also I will use a DHT shampoo like Nizoral or Pura D' OR to protect the hair on my head that I just regrew LOL.

OVERALL RATING so far: A+
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Update-

DAY 20



Have worked out a few times since my last post, just have not had time to post it.



I have to admit I changed PWO's and this stuff is no joke. This is M1 by TLM Research. Not my product, but I do sell it. I had to stop mixing my Randro in this product after 2 sessions because it spiked my BP way too high and I was literally out of breathe. Strength was 'sickening" Jason Genova reference, thank you ;)



Anyways, anyone looking for an insane PWO..check this stuff out, but honestly use caution with it, this product surpassed my expectation. Almost too strong.



When I took the product, I instantly got goose bumps 20mins later, cold chill, nose started running, which reminds me of dmaa or ephedrine, it does this to me. I can breathe easier. Eyes dialated. Endless energy, and I feel very very awake. BP is not spiked when sitting still, but during workout with the randro it certainly was. Felt this product for hours. Also sweating like crazy. But the energy was insane in a good way.





LINK TO PRODUCT

http://stores.gymntonic.com/m1-super-potent-pre-workout-by-tlm-research-caution-using-this-product/



Anyways, my first day I took it, last thursday I had so much energy I had to train 2x. Here is that workout

Thursday (early PM)

Shoulders, Traps


Poundstones Pain Tolerance Routine (this is a routine Derek and I used to do for about 30 days. Can be considered a deload of some sort, but it gives incredible pumps. It is high rep, low weight reps, and you never lock out on any reps)



Seated Military Dumbells (weights listed per hand)

20x50

25x50

30x40

35x40

Standing Military Barbell

45x50

45x50

Wesley Inman Traps

25x50

25x50

Roman Chair Ab Raises

BWx20

BWx20

BWx20





Called it a day, left with a cold chill, and feeling awesome . Had so much energy, went back to the gym with my gf at 6pm-

Thursday (6pm)

Deadlifts

135x10

225x10

315x10

405x10

Leg Extensions

50x20

100x20

150x20

Seated Calves- plates= 45lbs

1 platex20

2x20

3x10

4x10



Squeeze and Pause at top as well as the bottom, about 5 second pauses for each.



Sunday- Biceps and Back (Have to stay light on back because my pec is still a bit sore and it bothers me)



Biceps Supinated Curls (dumbells per hand)

20x20

30x20

40x10

55x10

75x6



Bent Over dumbell rows

40x10

50x10

75x10

Felt ok, but I felt the pec starting to pinch on the 75's, so I backed off



EZ curl bicep curls



50lbs x 21's

60lbs x 21's



110x10

110x10


Wesley Inman Shrugs

45x20- 5 second pauses

45x20 speed reps

90x 20 3 second pauses



Called it a day. We only had 35mins to train. Another solid workout. Used the preworkout and my Randro separate this day and it def calmed my BP spike down alot.




Comments about the R-Andro-

Honestly nothing new to really say. Still loving this stuff. All the same benefits I have mentioned are still going strong. I have to say my clothes are honestly fitting way way tighter. I have def put on some size, hardened up alot. Oh yeah, flexibility is pretty horrible right now. I can say I am way tighter, can't even put my seatbelt on without issues. Pumps during the wiorkout are insane on this. I am so tight and pumped..its a good feeling.

Still happy with product. Back at it Tues or Weds.
 

mister_t_

New member
Wesley, I am 9 days into R andro and loving it. The only thing I've noticed more of as of yesterday was the insane lower back pump. I am supplementing taurine to help combat this but was wondering if there is any other ways to find some relief. let me know big dog. Thanks
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Wesley, I am 9 days into R andro and loving it. The only thing I've noticed more of as of yesterday was the insane lower back pump. I am supplementing taurine to help combat this but was wondering if there is any other ways to find some relief. let me know big dog. Thanks
Yes for sure I can see how one can get back pumps on this. Taurine and stretching are the only real ways to go on this IMO. Foam Rolling and then also maybe increase taurine. I have had to go 2-5grams in the past.

Ty for checking in on my log, and please do let me know how you like Randro along your run. Truly looking forward to hearing your feedback :)

Update DAY 26

Still running full speed ahead. Have had several training days since the last Log Entry, but just been so busy have not had a chance to post.

What can I say about Randro at this point that I haven't?? I can touch on the fact that my flexibility is far worse since I started. But this is translates to why I feel so strong and explosive. So much tighter. For example, on military presses I am really really having a hard time locking my arms out at the top now. My upper chest is just so tight and pumped during a workout. The pumps are really starting to show at this point. It is a good thing. Think of a rubber band that is super tight. That is how my body feels especially in my lats/pecs armpit area.

I actually look like Randy from Christmas Story or one of those 100lb kids walking around Gold's Gym with Air Lats. Not intentional.




What else can I say??

Mood is still good. Libido has been A++ this entire run. Appetite still increased, primarily I notice it an hour after I take my dosage, I'm still just as hungry as I was day 1. No Joint Aches. Increased Strength for fact. I also feel like I am more "stable" if this makes sense. Like my CNS is just keeping me very very sturdy. On squats I am noticing even when I am fatigued, I don't have any shakes in my legs and overall genuinely I just feel great on this compound still.

Hair color on my head seems alot darker then when I started. Not sure if this is also due to the fact we rarely even see the Sun during the winter.

Suppression wise, I am seeing nothing visibly in terms of testicular atrophy. I can usually tell pretty quickly with a compound from my years of AAS abuse, I'm very experienced in noticing things quick. Nothing so far. Also volume is just as good as ever.

One thing I must mention about this log too. Last Epi Andro log I did a body recomp. Dieted and did cardio, etc, etc.

This was more of a bulk/recomp. I am way bigger looking. Getting constant compliments on this. I weighed in 211, so I am only up 3 lbs, but my abs are so much more visible and my muscles are just so much harder, they are bulging out and more apparent. I'd say I "look" 5-10lbs heavier for sure.

Another thing I am noticing is oddly enough some days I am retaining water in my face, but that might be because my diet is really not good lately. I have been eating 4-5K calories ED, with alot of fatty and salty foods.

Other then that, still happy. Gonna run this log until day 35-40 and then be finished with the log. Will still continue to run Randro after that though.
 

jon77777

New member
Yes for sure I can see how one can get back pumps on this. Taurine and stretching are the only real ways to go on this IMO. Foam Rolling and then also maybe increase taurine. I have had to go 2-5grams in the past.

Ty for checking in on my log, and please do let me know how you like Randro along your run. Truly looking forward to hearing your feedback :)

Update DAY 26

Still running full speed ahead. Have had several training days since the last Log Entry, but just been so busy have not had a chance to post.

What can I say about Randro at this point that I haven't?? I can touch on the fact that my flexibility is far worse since I started. But this is translates to why I feel so strong and explosive. So much tighter. For example, on military presses I am really really having a hard time locking my arms out at the top now. My upper chest is just so tight and pumped during a workout. The pumps are really starting to show at this point. It is a good thing. Think of a rubber band that is super tight. That is how my body feels especially in my lats/pecs armpit area.

I actually look like Randy from Christmas Story or one of those 100lb kids walking around Gold's Gym with Air Lats. Not intentional.




What else can I say??

Mood is still good. Libido has been A++ this entire run. Appetite still increased, primarily I notice it an hour after I take my dosage, I'm still just as hungry as I was day 1. No Joint Aches. Increased Strength for fact. I also feel like I am more "stable" if this makes sense. Like my CNS is just keeping me very very sturdy. On squats I am noticing even when I am fatigued, I don't have any shakes in my legs and overall genuinely I just feel great on this compound still.

Hair color on my head seems alot darker then when I started. Not sure if this is also due to the fact we rarely even see the Sun during the winter.

Suppression wise, I am seeing nothing visibly in terms of testicular atrophy. I can usually tell pretty quickly with a compound from my years of AAS abuse, I'm very experienced in noticing things quick. Nothing so far. Also volume is just as good as ever.

One thing I must mention about this log too. Last Epi Andro log I did a body recomp. Dieted and did cardio, etc, etc.

This was more of a bulk/recomp. I am way bigger looking. Getting constant compliments on this. I weighed in 211, so I am only up 3 lbs, but my abs are so much more visible and my muscles are just so much harder, they are bulging out and more apparent. I'd say I "look" 5-10lbs heavier for sure.

Another thing I am noticing is oddly enough some days I am retaining water in my face, but that might be because my diet is really not good lately. I have been eating 4-5K calories ED, with alot of fatty and salty foods.

Other then that, still happy. Gonna run this log until day 35-40 and then be finished with the log. Will still continue to run Randro after that though.


Hi Wesley, thanks for a great log on R-Andro. What are the advantages of stacking Epiandro with R-Andro if they are both DHT based, versus just using more R-Andro, since it is stronger? How many of each one would you take per day if you stacked them together?
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Hi Wesley, thanks for a great log on R-Andro. What are the advantages of stacking Epiandro with R-Andro if they are both DHT based, versus just using more R-Andro, since it is stronger? How many of each one would you take per day if you stacked them together?

Hey Jon, thank you man.

Honestly the advantages would be for sure more aggression. A very basic combo IMO that would work like a charm would be 200mgs of Randro and 200mgs of epiandro. If one can afford it, even higher.

AHV3, andro hard version 3 was this exact formula. Epiandro and Randro combined 50/50 in a delivery system.

Libido is much higher on Randro IMO, and I do not get angry on Randro whereas Epiandro at high dosage I did. So the combo should be ideal.
 

jon77777

New member
Hey Jon, thank you man.

Honestly the advantages would be for sure more aggression. A very basic combo IMO that would work like a charm would be 200mgs of Randro and 200mgs of epiandro. If one can afford it, even higher.

AHV3, andro hard version 3 was this exact formula. Epiandro and Randro combined 50/50 in a delivery system.

Libido is much higher on Randro IMO, and I do not get angry on Randro whereas Epiandro at high dosage I did. So the combo should be ideal.

Thanks for the explanation Wesley!
 

Hotplate38

New member
Honestly the advantages would be for sure more aggression. A very basic combo IMO that would work like a charm would be 200mgs of Randro and 200mgs of epiandro. If one can afford it, even higher.

AHV3, andro hard version 3 was this exact formula. Epiandro and Randro combined 50/50 in a delivery system.

Libido is much higher on Randro IMO, and I do not get angry on Randro whereas Epiandro at high dosage I did. So the combo should be ideal.

Right on the money there. I was going to wait until my final review of r-andro to post this but in the summer I'm planning an 8 week cycle of R-Andro 200mg, Epi-Andro 200mg and 1-Andro 200mg. Going to get crazy shredded and dense as hell.
I also agree with you, with R-Andro libido higher and r-andro is more controlled aggression, where as high doses of Epi-andro my tolerance for bullshit is non-existent.
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Right on the money there. I was going to wait until my final review of r-andro to post this but in the summer I'm planning an 8 week cycle of R-Andro 200mg, Epi-Andro 200mg and 1-Andro 200mg. Going to get crazy shredded and dense as hell.
I also agree with you, with R-Andro libido higher and r-andro is more controlled aggression, where as high doses of Epi-andro my tolerance for bullshit is non-existent.

Great news we have identical feedback. Ty for letting me know too, this is actually really good to hear so we can have some basic overall general feedback for the majority of users!! Thanx man :)

Update DAY 28

Worked out yesterday. Short session. Pec into tie in at bicep and tricep still bothering me..Go figure.

Shoulder Day

Seated Military Dumbells (weights listed per hand)

25x20
50x20
75x10
125x10
125x10 (bothering my pec and tricep...annoyed)

I say annoyed because this is not very strong for me tbh. This is my strongest exercise and even when I weighed 120lbs I used to press the 75s per hand from Day 1 in the gym. Might not sound like alot, but thats actually very heavy for a young kid to press..but that is 20 years ago..so I dont expect to be hurting or working with such weight.

I actually worked up to 170s per hand for reps of 5-8 back at Poundstones when I weighed 210ish, which is about same BW as I am now I dont have footage, but I do have footage of the dumbells in question when I was weighing 198 @ Poundstones. That is Kristin, Derek's wife filming. Iron Mike for the spot ;)

Wesley Inman Shrugs
45x20 - 5 second pauses
45x20- 10 second pauses
90x20 per hand, 1-2 second pauses

Delt Raises, slow and controlled, dumbells per hand

15x20
25x20
35x20

Called it a day. Ran out of time...


Pretty annoyed with how my body is acting this workout. Like I mentioned earlier my Pec at the insert of my armpit, into my tricep and bicep has some pain with any lifting. It's very very annoying more then anything because I cannot do what I want..but it's not a serious injury. Only serious enough to limit my time in the gym.

No new updates on Randro, except maybe I am feeling all week like my Blood Pressure is a bit higher all the time now. Can be stress or alot of other factors too. I didn't notice it until this week. So lets see if that fades by time this run ends. I am usually on the higher end of BP in the first place as is..Hereditary. I do know at high dosages epiandro spiked me up a little bit. This is still far superior to Epiandro in all aspects to date imo. Back at the gym today...
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Day 35-

Update- Going to end this log in a few days-

I have been working out still, just no time to log. Here is yesterdays quick workout:

Shoulders, Traps, Back

Seated Military Dumbells Press (weights per hand)

25x20
50x10
75x10
120x10
120x8...pec and tricep starting to feel pain

Wesley Inman Trap Shrugs
45x20 - 5 second pauses
45x20- 3 second pauses
45x20 speed reps, no pause
45x20 10 second pauses.

Traps are completely blown up after this routine. 10 second pauses are insane. Super pump. Love it, gonna start doing this all the time.

Seated Pulldowns/Rows
100x20
120x20
150x20

Ran out of time. Did this whole workout in 35 minutes. My daughter was with me at the gym so I always cut my workouts short so she doesn't have to wait long :) Rather spend time with her.

So, Randro. What can I say new about it?? Nothing honestly. It has been very consistent overall. Love this product. Gonna keep running it after this log. I am actually contemplating grabbing some Iron Legion Salvo and making this into a transdermal. Not sure what I can suspend it at..but I'd probably honestly try and see if I can get it to 200 mgs/mL. Id start with about 50mgs/mL at a time and work my way up. Time will tell though.

I have only good things to say about this compound. Going back on my HRT script shortly and will run this side by side. Expecting even better results.

My favorite way to use this compound is 300mgs, mixed into my preworkout 45 mins or so before workout. You simply feel awesome on it. I'm also a fan of using trest this same way. Have to be my two favorite things preworkout. Besides Test Suspension of course ;)
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Day 38

Still running strong with the Randro. Still feel awesome on it. In fact I skipped one day just to see how my body responded and I did miss the increased mood. The best way I can describe it is that this product at the 600mg dosage I am running legitimately makes you feel calm, I feel very focused and not edgy. You feel less lethargic and just overall good and confident. Might sound out, but this is the feeling I get on it.

Similarly Primobolan at high dosage in the past gave me similar mood enhancement. Very similar feeling actually. You just don't wanna come off it ever.

Anyways, workouts have been good.

Weighed in 213lbs. Clothes are not fitting. Ripped the crotch out of a pair of jeans already. Growth is evident. Saw a close friend I haven't seen in about 3 months who is a competitive bodybuilder and he thought I put on 10+ lbs.

I wish I could afford to run this even higher. Would not be opposed to do 800mgs ED for 30 days just to see..but can't afford that experiment right now.

Flexibility is even worse then prior. Really struggling to put shirts on, etc. My muscles are much tighter and less flexible for fact from this product. Mind you I haven't been stretching..except legs..but I rarely do anyways bc of time constraints. I mentioned previous think of a rubberband tightening..this is how it feels.


My appetite isn't as strong as it was at first...but it's definitely higher then normal. I can say that in hindsight. Will wrap up this log and do an overall eval with it this week.

Biceps/Triceps workout-

Tricep Pushdowns-
50x20
100x20
150x20
200x20

Hammer Curls
25x10
40x10
55x10
75x10

Skullcrushers/ez curl tricep close grip presses
50x20x10
70x20x10
80x20x10

Supinated Slow Controlled Dumbell Curls
25x10
35x10
45x10

Ran out of time. Called it a day. Another question people are asking. Does this bother your joints?? Not even a bit. Winny is the exact opposite. I can't even use that anymore bc the joint pains are so bad. Randro my joints feel 100% fine.
 

WesleyInman

Super Moderator
Day 45 - Update

Sorry the log is thinning out a bit, still training still using Randro, and still super happy. Wrapping this up, but will have another update or two before the final review of it.

Started rehab on my pec strain. So far so good. Starting light and doing very slow controlled reps. Also on back since for whatever reason, rows also bother my pec a bit too.

Here's what happened today-

Tricep Pushdowns
50x20
60x20
70x20

Seated Cable Rows
60x20
80x20
100x20

Flat Bench Press
45x25
65x25
85x25
85x30

**no pain with this light weight. Will gradually increase, also I will hit chest 2x per week unless the strain or pain re-appears.

Dumbells Rows
25x20
50x20
75x10

**no pain on these either

Incline Chest Dumbells

25x20
30x20


Called it a day. Super light workout but honestly it felt really good to hit chest again and to start the rehab. Hoping to be back to heavy weights in the next month. Glad I rested, this injury really was painful for quite some time and right now, no pain at all.

Started using a new product that I am sellling on my store called SuperStim. By Driven Sports...same company that made CRAZE preworkout. Anthony Roberts referred me to this product and this stuff is awesome. So I have been experimienting with that preworkout and so far, so good!! A+ product.

Feel amazing on Randro. I don't forsee myself going off for some time. Also, one thing to mention, when I started I had a very small accumulation under left nipple. Maybe some left over gyno/pregyno from about a year ago. Nothing insane, but anyways, this is now more then halfway smaller. Randro absolutely shrunk it quite a bit. So this is good news too. I am not seeing any estrogen, prolactin or other issues on this product. And in theory you would not, but certainly the compound is living up to its name.

Still can't say enough good things about Randro.
 
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