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Well then thank you for bringing that up, I never looked into the methyl tren because I found the 4 AD which seemed to be a perfect base. I just have to keep looking because I'd prefer something non Methylated because of the Winny.

Yea I was also thinkin about methyl tren 550....but ill prob juss up it to 50mg a day winy qith 4 capsules of 4AD and call it a day...thanks guys

I understand but I have 2 and a half months to train and I'm trying not to have gains for that time period that will raise questions because I'm trying to avoid the possibility of a random drug test. Would those doses flat out not do anything? Or just be very minimal? the winny I'm not worried...

yea I got Milk thistle for my liver and then a Glucosamine and Chondroitin combo which is suppose to restore collagen and water to your joints. I realize thats a minimal dose with the winny but I'm trying not to raise any questions to avoid a "random" drug test. I might up the dose on the 4 AD...

Im about to start a cycle of Winny oral at 20/mg a day. I want to stack it with 4AD rx because it converts to test and from what I hear, test stacks well with winny. Also, winny is methylated and the 4AD is nonmethylated so I figured they would work well together. I would be taking 2 capsules...