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Lol thanks kimber! And thank you to all of you. I haven't bought anything yet. I had an unplanned expenditure and am just putting a little away at a time for this. I figure everything happens for a reason and I'm just using this time to get my schedule right with my new job and lifting times...

Ok sweet. That's always frightened me lol. No shrinkage of my penis though right? Can't be havin' that! Lol

Alright! Sweet guys thank you so much! How is Msten on the whole shrinkage of le genitalia aspect?

Would that be 2 bottles for one cycle or one? (4-andro that is)

I actually have anther tread where I inquired about the purpose of econtrol and now I get it. Thanks guys. Much appreciated! How's this sound, week 1-3, 20mgs nolva, 1 cap Ed ultra male. Week 3-5: 20mg nolva eod, 1 cap Ed ultra, 2? Caps Ed econtrol. Week 5-7: 1 cap ultra eod until completed, 2...

Sweet guys I think I get it now. Thanks so much! So as a pct to msten+4 andro, Week 1-3 pct: 20mgs nolva, 1 cap Ed ultra week 3-5: 20mgs nolva eod, 1 cap Ed ultra male, 2? Caps Ed econtrol Week 5-6: 1 cap Ed ultra male, 2? caps Ed econtrol--until it runs out

First off ^^ lol! Secondly, it's mostly herbs in acs am I wrong? :p third and most importantly, if I use nolva alongside acs, do I need ultra male and econtrol? (Ill be doing the Msten 4 andro combo.

Yea I get that but why is it necessary at all if ultra male does the same thing? Sorry for all te questions

Why is it a waste of money? I thought armistane was a good ai? And is clomiphene the same as clomid? And is it true a serm will suffice as a pct? What kind of pct would I be looking at for Msten+4 andro?

Damn that was a fast reply. Thank guys much appreciated! And I just found this as a "complete pct all in one"... http://socal-nutrition.com/lecheek/buy-2-ad-3-pct-get-cycle-armor-free thoughts?

Even though it has some estrogen conversion and test is weaker than 1 test and dht? Sorry to keep asking I just like to know all the ins and outs before I get into something.

So...what andro is best to stack with Mstenfor mass and to help counter act lethargy and libido issues? They all have great benefits and for my second cycle ill probably to the andro stack but that's when I have more money available.

Ok. Read that link...tbh I should have read it before replying. My bad...but anyway...so I read on here before that econtrol is an ai and I now see its function... But that still doesn't explain it's use if estrogen is already being reduced.

I was just curious about the Epi thing. But thanks for the link! And so ultra male restarts test production and boosts it significantly while decreasing estrogen...that seems like te ideal product for total pct all in one (minus organ support of course)...why is e control in te picture in the...

I just don't get it.. Especially when taking products that don't aromatize in the first place... It just seems redundant. Also, why can't one take epistane through the cycle and pct and leave out the econtrol? It seems to me Epi has all the benefits of e control plus muscle building tendencies

Cool thanks man. I've been leaving towards te Msten but just couldn't seem to decide. One huge question...the andros. 4 andro converts to test which has some estrogenic activity, 1andro coverts to 1test which is stronger than the test with no estrogenic activity, and epiandro seems to fall in...

Oh a side note...which andro would be best to stack for bulking, mass, strength, size? I'm leaning towards the Epi for the benefits of the epistane but am still unsure... And on tha topic, what would he better to run for the afore mentioned purpose: halo, Msten, or epitren? I've read logs and...

I considered stacking them since they have mostly different in ingredients but I don't want to lower my blood pressure too much by doing so. Plus that's expensive as shit. I just figured it was worth asking since they both have really good stuff in them. Ill most likely go with the acs since...

Title says it all.acs containes more liver support but talos has lipid support and some other stuff that acs doesn't have. Here's the link http://www.antaeuslabs.com/talos.html

Ok, first off, thanks for your time. Second, I am 6'4" and relatively new to this scene. Oh and 160-165lbs. I've been told not to do a cycle and just eat, but I'm a very hard gainer...I eat dirty as fuck...as in 850calories for breakfast alone all from porkroll and bread...and simply don't gain...