Cycle help

tony1354142 said:
Prolly just run 2 then drop if needed.
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I only felt slight discomfort once, and then was when i had more coffee than good ol' h2o... just make sure you are consistently hydrated... its amazing what body changes can be made when drinkin a min of 1 gallon of straight water can do...
 
Deako said:
I only felt slight discomfort once, and then was when i had more coffee than good ol' h2o... just make sure you are consistently hydrated... its amazing what body changes can be made when drinkin a min of 1 gallon of straight water can do...
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Thanx bro. I must admit I'm bad about that. I come close or drink half a gallon sometimes. But for sure with this will shoot for 1.5 gallons
 
tony1354142 said:
Thanx bro. I must admit I'm bad about that. I come close or drink half a gallon sometimes. But for sure with this will shoot for 1.5 gallons
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It was always my problem... so to fix it, I bought 2 gallon water jugs... one straight water, and one with iced tea or crystal light or something... and my first drink choice of the day was water... and i would drink nothing else until that gallon was gone... but it was motivating cause i wanted that other drink SOOO bad cause it has flavor...

Once i downed both gallons, i would have a black coffee, or a soda... it helped me stay on track with my fluids...
 
Lol u guys are gonna think I'm smokin dope but I still have 3/4 of a bottle of msten left. If for any reason I don't feel the same strength gains, lol god I can't believe ima say this cuz ima get hammered for sayin it, could u guys see adding an extra 10mg of msten in the a.m.? Is that crazy? I just can't get off that 30mg of msten lol
 
tony1354142 said:
Lol u guys are gonna think I'm smokin dope but I still have 3/4 of a bottle of msten left. If for any reason I don't feel the same strength gains, lol god I can't believe ima say this cuz ima get hammered for sayin it, could u guys see adding an extra 10mg of msten in the a.m.? Is that crazy? I just can't get off that 30mg of msten lol
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Eh...I definitely wouldn't advise it..
 
Yea I thought u would say that . Lol. Hey what about econtrol? Needed on cycle? Idk what that is suppose to even be dosed at
 
tony1354142 said:
Yea I thought u would say that . Lol. Hey what about econtrol? Needed on cycle? Idk what that is suppose to even be dosed at
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Only if estro/gyno sides pop up. I always run 3 a day (am, mid-day, pm).
 
Loved me some DMZ3... strength shot up, BF% dropped and looked big and full... drink enough water and you are golden!
 
They say it's a lot of toxic shit runnin through ur system . 60mg a day of 3 diff types of methyls. Worries me a bit
 
Nothing to worry about unless you decide to go beyond a single bottle. It's a great oral stack.
 
I was planning on running 4 caps of 4-andro I help with lethargy and libido... Is that too much. I liked how 2 caps did me for the msten but stronger compound I assume a more severe shut down. Would 3 caps of 4-andro do n maybe run it 2 weeks longer than super Dmz 3.0?
 
Either of those plans would work great, but I like the idea of running the 3 caps for two weeks longer.
 
Tony I am currently running another cycle of dmz 3.o along with 350 test e4d .... my first dmz had minimal sides, and the gains in strenght mass and vasuclarity were ridiculous... now this go round im on day 17 of dmz 3.0 no sides at all except going back to test at 350 e4d on top of this my blood pressure went up , but back to cialis at .5 a day half dosed dropped it back to norm, running plain dmz did not have this or heartburn, but together with test I get this so cialis takes care of pressure, now water intake is a must , the first go round I could not eat enough or seeem to drink enough so I just added the crystal lite in and stay well hydrated becuase I like the taste. I still have an original bottle of spawn I was gonna run this go instead of dmz 3.0 but like you on the msten its hard to change what works. Imo if you stick with dmz at 2 caps a day and stay well hydrated you should be fine,, now I did get a little itchy nipple for my quick pct took nolva for 2 weeks that went away quick,, I never had any libido probs on super dmz I literally chased my wife around the house more than once a day, thought about cutting my gym cardio down because at home was burning a good bit, haha..

I will say this I have also added black stones growth this go around and now I sleep like a baby. So no leghargy at all that growgh is awesome for sleep as far crossing brain blood receptors and all that, well it is a neccsiity for sleep while on cycle,,, for me now since I sleep so sound

Everybody on this site escpecially ebfitness and heavyiron go above and beyond to help and they always play it safe.. if you follow the directions of these guys and the bottles you should never go wrong,,

I follow my body, definelty run the acs at 3 a day on an off cycle though, I run liver support all year round its good for your body..

Definely run the nolva , keep a log of your progress for us,, and goodluck buddy

Peace

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fierce1 said:
Tony I am currently running another cycle of dmz 3.o along with 350 test e4d .... my first dmz had minimal sides, and the gains in strenght mass and vasuclarity were ridiculous... now this go round im on day 17 of dmz 3.0 no sides at all except going back to test at 350 e4d on top of this my blood pressure went up , but back to cialis at .5 a day half dosed dropped it back to norm, running plain dmz did not have this or heartburn, but together with test I get this so cialis takes care of pressure, now water intake is a must , the first go round I could not eat enough or seeem to drink enough so I just added the crystal lite in and stay well hydrated becuase I like the taste. I still have an original bottle of spawn I was gonna run this go instead of dmz 3.0 but like you on the msten its hard to change what works. Imo if you stick with dmz at 2 caps a day and stay well hydrated you should be fine,, now I did get a little itchy nipple for my quick pct took nolva for 2 weeks that went away quick,, I never had any libido probs on super dmz I literally chased my wife around the house more than once a day, thought about cutting my gym cardio down because at home was burning a good bit, haha..

I will say this I have also added black stones growth this go around and now I sleep like a baby. So no leghargy at all that growgh is awesome for sleep as far crossing brain blood receptors and all that, well it is a neccsiity for sleep while on cycle,,, for me now since I sleep so sound

Everybody on this site escpecially ebfitness and heavyiron go above and beyond to help and they always play it safe.. if you follow the directions of these guys and the bottles you should never go wrong,,

I follow my body, definelty run the acs at 3 a day on an off cycle though, I run liver support all year round its good for your body..

Definely run the nolva , keep a log of your progress for us,, and goodluck buddy

Peace

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That's exactly the input I was looking for. I won't be using test, I'll be using 4 caps of 4-andro as a test base. I prefer it cuz at 2 caps last run of msten (msten at 3 caps [30mg]) it still had my libido up. And there was no estro conversion at all. I get major gyno off of 500mg of test that I fight throughout cycle when I can just use 4-andro and feel like fuckin Spider-Man! So I just steer away from test now unless I was to run at 300mg a week but what's the point. I appreciate ur feedback. My bud and me are gonna place an order for a matching cycle of

Super Dmz
4andro
Thinkin of runnin the 4 andro at 3 caps ed instead of 4 so run it 2weeks longer than the super Dmz. Not sure.
Tamoxifen and econtrol on pct along with liver and kidney supports that are run throughout cycle as well. Still deciding on those.

What u think fierce?
Week 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 2 caps ed
Week 1-6
4andro at 3 caps ed
OR
Weeks 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 @ 2 caps ed
4 andro @ 4 caps ed

Anyone else input is welcome on that as well
 
tony1354142 said:
That's exactly the input I was looking for. I won't be using test, I'll be using 4 caps of 4-andro as a test base. I prefer it cuz at 2 caps last run of msten (msten at 3 caps [30mg]) it still had my libido up. And there was no estro conversion at all. I get major gyno off of 500mg of test that I fight throughout cycle when I can just use 4-andro and feel like fuckin Spider-Man! So I just steer away from test now unless I was to run at 300mg a week but what's the point. I appreciate ur feedback. My bud and me are gonna place an order for a matching cycle of

Super Dmz
4andro
Thinkin of runnin the 4 andro at 3 caps ed instead of 4 so run it 2weeks longer than the super Dmz. Not sure.
Tamoxifen and econtrol on pct along with liver and kidney supports that are run throughout cycle as well. Still deciding on those.

What u think fierce?
Week 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 2 caps ed
Week 1-6
4andro at 3 caps ed
OR
Weeks 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 @ 2 caps ed
4 andro @ 4 caps ed

Anyone else input is welcome on that as well
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ebfitness and heavy would be better with info on andro, I use trt so don't have info on IML andro, but everything they make is top notch, now if you get gyno bad when running test you can run Nolva while on or can use letro if that doesn't work, however, that can make you real lethargic, try running primo bolin high anabolic very low androgenic, don't need to run huge amounts of that either.
Run the dmz for 4 weeks at 2 caps that's enough trust me, I saw one guy ran it at 3 caps for 6 weeks, I rather run test at higher doses and use the PH to boost start, however, you can run just the super dmz 3.0 and see significant results if you diet right!!!

You said e control , ACS and Nolva.. Your not sure about???

thats the most important things, getting your body back to normal and taking care of your liver... Should not be any questions there bud... At all, run the ACS all the time I say and on cycle at 3 a day,. If you get bad gyno run the Nolva on cycle as needed... I am not running e control currently because I'm on trt ... However you must run the ACS,, try without it your liver will hurt you will feel it brother... Causing stress causing your body to release more cortisol causing possibly gyno flare ups etc, etc, follow the protocol safely and enjoy...

I have t3, clomid, letro, tada, tamoxen a ton of shit on hand, I keep extra of everything , if you gonna play the game... Be ready. This site is gonna definetly give you great info but don't wait until something happens to buy the proper things needed to combat it... F-- that.. Be safe have fun... You know your body better than anyone..
 
fierce1 said:
ebfitness and heavy would be better with info on andro, I use trt so don't have info on IML andro, but everything they make is top notch, now if you get gyno bad when running test you can run Nolva while on or can use letro if that doesn't work, however, that can make you real lethargic, try running primo bolin high anabolic very low androgenic, don't need to run huge amounts of that either.
Run the dmz for 4 weeks at 2 caps that's enough trust me, I saw one guy ran it at 3 caps for 6 weeks, I rather run test at higher doses and use the PH to boost start, however, you can run just the super dmz 3.0 and see significant results if you diet right!!!

You said e control , ACS and Nolva.. Your not sure about???

thats the most important things, getting your body back to normal and taking care of your liver... Should not be any questions there bud... At all, run the ACS all the time I say and on cycle at 3 a day,. If you get bad gyno run the Nolva on cycle as needed... I am not running e control currently because I'm on trt ... However you must run the ACS,, try without it your liver will hurt you will feel it brother... Causing stress causing your body to release more cortisol causing possibly gyno flare ups etc, etc, follow the protocol safely and enjoy...

I have t3, clomid, letro, tada, tamoxen a ton of shit on hand, I keep extra of everything , if you gonna play the game... Be ready. This site is gonna definetly give you great info but don't wait until something happens to buy the proper things needed to combat it... F-- that.. Be safe have fun... You know your body better than anyone..
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Lol no no. U miss understand me brother. I've been in the aas game for a min about 12 years off and on. Took a 5 year break and went clean. Running OCT and PCT is a definite. Who's ( which brand) is what I haven't decided. Lol no man I'll run OCT for sure. My lipids, liver and kidneys are important to me. And letro crushes my e2. I've used aromasin and honestly, e-control worked wonders compared to. I've never tried Nolva ON cycle just pct. But with 4andro I got none. I used econtrol to knock out the gyno from a previous cycle. No gyno or even sensitive nipples from 4andro. That's why I prefer that over test. I appreciate ur feedback brother. And I probably will run ACS. And I always run liver armor at 1800mg per day on and post cycle. Thanks again for ur responses.
 
tony1354142 said:
Lol no no. U miss understand me brother. I've been in the aas game for a min about 12 years off and on. Took a 5 year break and went clean. Running OCT and PCT is a definite. Who's ( which brand) is what I haven't decided. Lol no man I'll run OCT for sure. My lipids, liver and kidneys are important to me. And letro crushes my e2. I've used aromasin and honestly, e-control worked wonders compared to. I've never tried Nolva ON cycle just pct. But with 4andro I got none. I used econtrol to knock out the gyno from a previous cycle. No gyno or even sensitive nipples from 4andro. That's why I prefer that over test. I appreciate ur feedback brother. And I probably will run ACS. And I always run liver armor at 1800mg per day on and post cycle. Thanks again for ur responses.
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oh lol, my apologies... Keep the Nolva on hand just in case, since you had gyno before , I ran it on cycle and had buddies do the same no issues at all, but if e control took care of it I doubt you will have any issues e control can't.. But I would still keep the Nolva on hand.. One 30 ml bottle will last exactly 30 days... IML ACS milk thistle is dosed at 500 mg a serving a little higher than some... IMO whoever I buy my PH from I run their ACS because their ACS is recommended for the most powerful designer on the market in this case IML. Your gonna love the Super DMz 3.0 I stocked up awhile back... I would buy 4 of all.... because it's buy 3 get 1 free... Plus with the discount codes that cuts both you guys next cycle in half price wise.. Doubt you would ever have trouble reselling it if you had too... In the long run it's cheaper this way... I do not in anyWay work for IML, but I find everything they sell is top notch... And there service is bar bone ....

Welcome back Tony... Beast mode time..
 
Lol yea I usually throw together my on ACS cuz I can buy my Milk thistle, NAC etc..on my own but I may just run theirs. Looks to have everything. I'm stoked. I'm ordering this payday..

PS...we are buying everything in fours ;)
 
tony1354142 said:
That's exactly the input I was looking for. I won't be using test, I'll be using 4 caps of 4-andro as a test base. I prefer it cuz at 2 caps last run of msten (msten at 3 caps [30mg]) it still had my libido up. And there was no estro conversion at all. I get major gyno off of 500mg of test that I fight throughout cycle when I can just use 4-andro and feel like fuckin Spider-Man! So I just steer away from test now unless I was to run at 300mg a week but what's the point. I appreciate ur feedback. My bud and me are gonna place an order for a matching cycle of

Super Dmz
4andro
Thinkin of runnin the 4 andro at 3 caps ed instead of 4 so run it 2weeks longer than the super Dmz. Not sure.
Tamoxifen and econtrol on pct along with liver and kidney supports that are run throughout cycle as well. Still deciding on those.

What u think fierce?
Week 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 2 caps ed
Week 1-6
4andro at 3 caps ed
OR
Weeks 1-4
Super Dmz 3.0 @ 2 caps ed
4 andro @ 4 caps ed

Anyone else input is welcome on that as well
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I prefer the bold. I don't think you'd benefit much from running 4-Andro past SDMZ.
 
ebfitness said:
I prefer the bold. I don't think you'd benefit much from running 4-Andro past SDMZ.
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Ok then.. 4 caps of 4andro it is then. Can anyone tell me if if IML's "Lean fuel Extreme" is effective and if it is safe for my wife to use?
 
tony1354142 said:
Ok then.. 4 caps of 4andro it is then. Can anyone tell me if if IML's "Lean fuel Extreme" is effective and if it is safe for my wife to use?
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I have clients running it right now (1 cap AM, 1 cap PM). It's not strong stim wise, but very effective at burning fat via multiple pathways. Two of my clients (married couple) are taking there morn dose with a cup of coffee for the extra stim effect...they're shedding weight fast.
 
Great. It'll be part of my order this Friday. 4 caps of andro for 30 days...I have econtrol but should it be used on cycle or as needed. I was gonna use it pct only
 
tony1354142 said:
Great. It'll be part of my order this Friday. 4 caps of andro for 30 days...I have econtrol but should it be used on cycle or as needed. I was gonna use it pct only
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Only if estro/gyno sides occur.
 
Thanx. I'm stoked. I can hardly wait. I still gotta wait till July 1st FAAACCKKK
TIME ON + pct =time off ...hard but fair
 
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