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The way I've always used it. Never preworkout I always stuck with arginine/citriline combo with a few grams of beta alanine. Post workout I used creatine/bcaa combo

Be sure and check around on prices, ppl try to rip you off on there. And always have them meet at a dealer that will transfer the gum to you legally to avoid stolen guns

Gonna be a killer product. Cant wait to give it a run. Have a lot of gym bros ready for it as well

That's aweful

Throw in some osta during pct as well and run pyro rx during the cycle

Anything Deftones, In Flames, Slipknot, Stone Sour

Exactly what heavy said^^^

Now that's a good combo!

Keep killing it brother

Coffee, the blacker the better :D

Update: Sorry for no updates, work schedule changed and it was all I could do to get my workouts in LOL. Finished sdmz2.0 and decided to end cycle and start pct. Final weight is 214. I'm upping the cardio and I'm still gonna try to get lower before holidays arrive. I will start back updating...

9-24-13 Shoulder/tricep day Seated alternating hammer shoulder presses super set with cable side raises. X 5 sets Cable upright rows superset with shruggs x 5 set Cable rear delts x 4 sets Rope pushdowns x 3 sets to failure Dips x 2 sets, to failure Overhead rope ext x 1 set to failure...

9-23-13 Today was day 9 of SDMZ 2.0 Weight this am is 220lb. Today was back day. Lat pull downs x 5 Seated Hammer Row x5 Low row x 5 Monkey rows x 4 Was a simple workout but heavy weights and about 2 min rest between sets. Killer pump. The sdmz is full force. Stay tuned for more

9-19-13 Shoulders Db side raises x 5 Db front raises x 4 Seated Db rear delts x 4 Hammer strength shoulder press x 4 Rev pec Dec x 4 Shruggs x 4 Killer pump today...sdmz is rocking and Rollin

9-18-2013 Took today off due to a stomach bug I had last nite, just got hydrated and ready to blast shoulders tomorrow. Stay tuned more to come...

If your wanting to lose bf% it'll help

Tuesday 9-17-2013 Day 4 of SDMZ 2.0 Arms Tricep Pushdowns x5 Preacher Curls x5 Seated Pressdown x4 Hammer curls x4 Underhand cable ext x4 Hi iso curl x4 Killer pump today

Epitren at 3 caps a day for 6 weeks You might want to look at adding bsl growth during the cycle and pct as well

Monday 9-16-2013 Back day. Day 3 of SDMZ 2.0 Lat pull downs x 4 Monkey Rows x 4 Bent over Barbell Rows x 3 Seated Hammer rows x 3 Underhand Lat Pulldown x3 Was a good workout, with a killer pump. Good muscle stimulation.

Thanks brother!