M-sten gyno :(

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Hey guys
I swear every post from me has been about gyno.. grr
Basically, i started a standalone cycle of m-sten 5 days ago. Everything seemed to be going great. Pumps were unreal, felt full all day long, had great energy and an overall feeling of well-being.. all immediately. I know most people say "just wait until the end of the second week, it's amazing" etc but this stuff hit me pretty hard and pretty quickly. I put on 4 pounds in 4 days (what i assume is water/glycogen). On day 3 I did feel a slight dull ache in my testes (what I assume is the m-sten starting to shut me down), and near the end of day 3 my left nipple started to get somewhat sensitive. Not the "burning, painful" sensitivity that most will advise to watch out for, just a slight sensitivity that i thought just might be in my head. On day 4, left nip felt sensitive all day. I lightly felt my nipple (I know you shouldn't touch them too often) and i did feel a very tiny lump that had definitely not been there before.

I took a total of 7 pills (only did 1 pill on day 1).
My libido is still sort of there but not as much as usual.
I decided that I'm not going to screw around with the cycle after what has happened and I should just begin PCT.

I took 120 mg of Torem today (day 5) and i also took 1 ultra male as well.
I figure I don't need a whole 4-5 week PCT regimen for only 4 days of being on cycle.
My thoughts were: 120 for 1 day, 90 for the next 2-3, 60 for another 2-3, 3 for another 2-3 to be safe, all while using ultra male, possibly anabolic matrix as well.
Do you think this will be enough to kill the gyno i have developed or should i go for longer to be safe? Run torem until the gyno goes away?
I also have 1 bottle of the original e-control, and 1 bottle of e-control 2.0 as well. Should i even bother with that stuff? Throw it in alongside Torem or take after?
I think this whole experience has kind of ruined anabolics for me:(
Any help is appreciated.
 
I'm guessing you had preexisting estrogen/progestin issues because I find it hard to believe just msten, at 20mg daily, could have done this in 4 days. With 4 days of being "on" I hardly think even a week's worth of PCT is necessary because it's just not long enough to really get shut down to any significant degree. Nolva and an Ai are what you want if you have Gyno. Torem is a great SERM, but Nolvadex is the king of reducing/eliminating gyno issues. Dose that for 20mg daily for a few weeks until the symptoms subside.

After that I'd take a little break and get bloods done if possible to see what you underlying issue may be, because you were likely on the vergo of having it form on its own before getting on the cycle at all for it to pop up that quick.
 
agreed that you must have started with high levels of prolactin or E2. No one can tell without blood work. Do a small 1 week PCT with nolva and a mild AI and then take a month or 2 off of everything then get some blood work done. You may be able to cycle anabolic's if you understand what your issues are and address them prior to your next cycle.
 
Thank you guys I REALLY appreciate it. I downed torem around lunch. It's currently 5:20 pm here, think I should still start e-control 2.0 rx today or wait til tmr? I'm wondering what the halflife is/how often i need to dose it.
 
I can't thank you guys enough. Not going to lie.. I was getting pretty freaked out and second guessing everything I thought I knew about how to fix the issue.
I definitely should've gotten bloodwork done beforehand, really regretting that now. It's just plain old responsible cycling and I definitely screwed up.
I just took 1 e-control 2.0 a few minutes ago, I will do another before bed and then do 3 a day starting tmr. (Along with torem of course). Also- do I need to taper down on the e-control 2.0 when I feel gyno has been eliminated? Is there a possibility of rebound gyno if I stop the AI cold-turkey?
I'm pretty amazed at how quickly I reacted to everything.. testes shrunk, joints hurt and crack (especially my hip.. although i did squat yesterday), libido is down, I am acne prone however it hasn't flared up.
I will be sure to update this thread as PCT progresses.
Thanks again!
 
Ok so today is the third day of PCT. I've been running Torem at 120 mg for the past three days, and I've been dosing E-control 2.0 3 caps per day (spread evenly). Symptoms initially started to get better yesterday, but today it seems like they are getting worse. I wondered if my torem was bunk or underdosed so I'm acquiring more through a different research company. Any ideas at what could be going on?
 
Just had a huge realization. I have physically checked my nipples for what was going on maybe twice today. Possibly I had been too rough AND last night the girl I am talking to was feeling up my chest quite aggressively. I'm guessing that is the reason for the sensitivity today.
 
Update: Have been on Torem and E-control 2.0 for 7 days now. First 3 days were Torem at 120 mg, last 4 days at 90. I plan on doing 90 mg ED for About another week or so before dropping to 60.
Nipple sensitivity has gone WAY down. Hardly sensitive at all anymore. There is still some puffiness and i can feel glandular tissue under both nipples, with the left one being slightly larger. Overall the size of the gyno is not big and it's hardly noticable.
Any ideas on how long it will take for the gyno to completely go away on Torem?
 
Today is day 16 of PCT. I'm running 60 mg of Torem and I have 14 days of e-control 2.0 left. Gyno in right nipple is completely gone, however I can still feel a lump under left nipple. The puffiness is still sort of there in both nipples, left nip more than right. I started taking a preworkout yesterday called Hyper Fx (from BSN) and today noticed the puffyness was worse. I looked at the label and saw that Hyper Fx contains DAA.. the potent test booster.. DAA also significantly raises prolactin :(
Thoughts on taking P-5-P for the rest of PCT? Should i pick up another bottle of e-control 2.0?
 
I wouldn't expect DAA to cause that much of an issue, it is a good test booster, but it's still just an herbal supplement and not some potent hormone. Further, I highly doubt it could have had either that much of an effect on prolactin or have acted that quickly to make your nipples puff up, I'd be more inclined to believe it's just a continuation of your existing problems.
 

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