Need your help please

[Anabolic4life]

Hey everyone. Been doing a lot of research and I would really like to use msten and super tren together for a short 4 week cycle. I'm trying to add muscle mass but look fucking vascular, don't care about weight gain.
i understand that you usually run a test with tren, if you guys feel it's wise to do let me know some suggestions.
also please give me ideas on best stack from start to finish if you don't like what I have below?

Week 1-4: 2xmsten/ 4stren daily
Week 1-8: ACS
Week 5-7: ultra male rx
but I do have clomid on hand, can I just use that instead of ultra male rx.
im trying to stay in budget, not waste money on products I don't really need.

About me
28 yrs old
6'0 185lbs
about 12 percent bf
honestly I don't do much ph, I love the real stuff, but with my new job can no longer take illegal gear.
any suggestions would be awesome
thanks
ps what kind of gains should I expect if diet/training is good?

 

[The Neck]

First things first I would start with the link that BiggieSmallz provided. That being said with your background & mass being your goal I would lean towards 3caps e/d on the M-Sten for the 4wk duration. With you having a past with "the real stuff", you know that your cycle is only as good as your diet & routine. I can tell you that the M-Sten & Tren combo will surprise ya.


I would replace the Ultra Male with another bottle of M-Sten & be sure to use your Clomid for PCT.









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[RoadstarPete]

Drop the ultra male and run the clomid instead. Other than that everything looks good to me. The m-sten dosage should be just fine @ 2 caps ed although you could up the daily mg by one cap if you like. Since you are running tren alongside it though I think you will be pleased with the cycle you have laid out.
On a side note.......I would like to point out that these ph/ds are indeed the "real thing". They are MUCH stronger mg/mg vs injectables and are faster acting. I think the proper wording when people say I use the "real thing" should be I use "illegal injectable steroids". Mind you I am assuming you live in the US where they keep us "safe" from such things by making them illegal.

 

[Anabolic4life]

Hey biggiesmallz thanks for the video. I should of been a little more clear on what I meant for my gains. I picked both of these ph because of the dry gains and tren being awesome for cut/hardening effects. But I read from some ppl they get water weight which I can't believe. Since I have never taken these ph I was just wondering what I should be expecting, dry gains, little water retention etc. I know what the bottles say but that does not mean that's how it will work, when I take dbol I do not get much water retention, actually I look pretty fucking solid and love it, where my buddy looks like someone stuck a water hose up his ass and turned it on lol
theneck and roadsidepete thanks for the info, I will run just clomid and no ultramale.
i appreciate the history lesson on the real stuff, since I don't take the OTC supplements I did not know that there as just as good, figure it was all hype like most things. Again appreciate the help, if anyone has anything to add let me know, I ordered everything and should be starting here this week.

 

[The Neck]

Hey biggiesmallz thanks for the video. I should of been a little more clear on what I meant for my gains. I picked both of these ph because of the dry gains and tren being awesome for cut/hardening effects. But I read from some ppl they get water weight which I can't believe. Since I have never taken these ph I was just wondering what I should be expecting, dry gains, little water retention etc. I know what the bottles say but that does not mean that's how it will work, when I take dbol I do not get much water retention, actually I look pretty fucking solid and love it, where my buddy looks like someone stuck a water hose up his ass and turned it on lol
theneck and roadsidepete thanks for the info, I will run just clomid and no ultramale.
i appreciate the history lesson on the real stuff, since I don't take the OTC supplements I did not know that there as just as good, figure it was all hype like most things. Again appreciate the help, if anyone has anything to add let me know, I ordered everything and should be starting here this week.

No doubt everyone reacts a little different to certian compounds but that stack is pretty dry.