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First time Halo and 4Andro cutting/recomp cycle log

Saturday: felt good all day. diet was on point. still pretty hungry and some carb cravings. but that's most likely because of the cheats I had. literally have no sides to report on just the Epi-Andro I feel good all the way. have a little more than a week left.

B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9 (new PR)
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x12
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x13

Sunday: rest day.

what I noticed is that if the caloric deficit is too high I feel nauseous. I tried it out a few times and every time I ate too few calories I felt kind of sick and eating more resolved the issue.
 
fobz said:
Saturday: felt good all day. diet was on point. still pretty hungry and some carb cravings. but that's most likely because of the cheats I had. literally have no sides to report on just the Epi-Andro I feel good all the way. have a little more than a week left.

B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9 (new PR)
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x12
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x13

Sunday: rest day.

what I noticed is that if the caloric deficit is too high I feel nauseous. I tried it out a few times and every time I ate too few calories I felt kind of sick and eating more resolved the issue.
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Yup, my last cut I either felt sick, dizzy, or both on the really low cal days. I think that's the body saying, "Excuse me, but I'm dying." Dieting's dumb. ;)
 
ebfitness said:
Yup, my last cut I either felt sick, dizzy, or both on the really low cal days. I think that's the body saying, "Excuse me, but I'm dying." Dieting's dumb. ;)
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I agree =) I wish I could just eat like a horse and bodyfat just dissapears haha. I have a friend like that. he eats and eats and eats but doesn't gain an ounce of fat and I'm over here looking at a doughnut or pizza and getting fat without touching it :confused:

Monday: had a good workout. no sides to report. still feeling hungry. it's my last week of epi-andro and of my cycle. sad that it is going to end soon.

A:
Leg Press: 845x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x12
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x13
 
fobz said:
I agree =) I wish I could just eat like a horse and bodyfat just dissapears haha. I have a friend like that. he eats and eats and eats but doesn't gain an ounce of fat and I'm over here looking at a doughnut or pizza and getting fat without touching it :confused:

Monday: had a good workout. no sides to report. still feeling hungry. it's my last week of epi-andro and of my cycle. sad that it is going to end soon.

A:
Leg Press: 845x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x12
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x13
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Time to start getting yourself in that PCT mindset. I really don't mind PCT; it's an interesting process. Be sure to log it...it'll be fun to note the changes and help guide you through it (it's really not bad at all when done right).
 
ebfitness said:
Time to start getting yourself in that PCT mindset. I really don't mind PCT; it's an interesting process. Be sure to log it...it'll be fun to note the changes and help guide you through it (it's really not bad at all when done right).
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I will definitely log it and I appreciate all your help. I definitely want to keep the lean mass I gained but I also want prevent fat gain. so I will keep my fat intake and protein fairly high and calories a little below maintenance to hopefully lean a little bit out while keeping the muscle mass. do you think that should be possible?
 
fobz said:
I will definitely log it and I appreciate all your help. I definitely want to keep the lean mass I gained but I also want prevent fat gain. so I will keep my fat intake and protein fairly high and calories a little below maintenance to hopefully lean a little bit out while keeping the muscle mass. do you think that should be possible?
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It's possible with proper PCT, fats, and protein...as long as your cals aren't tooo low. But there IS always a possibility of losing some muscle mass while cutting...and not on anabolics.
 
ebfitness said:
It's possible with proper PCT, fats, and protein...as long as your cals aren't tooo low. But there IS always a possibility of losing some muscle mass while cutting...and not on anabolics.
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that is unfortunately true. I will start with a very slight deficit. if I notice to big of a strength or mass loss I will increase it to maintenance or slightly above. and I will definitely keep intensity and weights up in the gym. I'm going to do the same routine as I am doing now. 6 days a week alternating between A and B.
 
fobz said:
that is unfortunately true. I will start with a very slight deficit. if I notice to big of a strength or mass loss I will increase it to maintenance or slightly above. and I will definitely keep intensity and weights up in the gym. I'm going to do the same routine as I am doing now. 6 days a week alternating between A and B.
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Sounds good.
 
Tuesday: no sides. diet was on point. didn't feel very motivated but as soon as I hit the gym I had a great workout. still pretty hungry all the time.

B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x11
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x14
 
Wednesday: felt more motivated today than the last couple days. no sides. diet was on point. still hungry cutting just sucks. strength is still good even without the halo =)


A:
Leg Press: 845x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x11
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x14 (probably gonna up the weight next day A. I hesitated because of my shoulder but I feel no pain while doing the exercise)
 
fobz said:
Wednesday: felt more motivated today than the last couple days. no sides. diet was on point. still hungry cutting just sucks. strength is still good even without the halo =)


A:
Leg Press: 845x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x11
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x14 (probably gonna up the weight next day A. I hesitated because of my shoulder but I feel no pain while doing the exercise)
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Nice
 
Thursday: felt good. diet was on point and no sides to report. good intensity in the gym. still bummed out about my shoulder. getting a little bored with just weighted push-ups for chest. gonna get it checked out by a doctor soon.
hopefully nothing too serious.


B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x11 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x11
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x14
 
fobz said:
Thursday: felt good. diet was on point and no sides to report. good intensity in the gym. still bummed out about my shoulder. getting a little bored with just weighted push-ups for chest. gonna get it checked out by a doctor soon.
hopefully nothing too serious.


B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x11 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x11
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x14
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Good luck, man!
 
ebfitness said:
Good luck, man!
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thanks brother I will definitely keep you guys updated.

Friday: felt good. still no sides. still hungry like a bear haha. workout was good.

A:
Leg Press: 845x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x11
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 115x11 (new PR)

Saturday: still feeling good and still hungry. it's my last workout day on cylce =(

B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x11 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x11
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x14
30 degree incline bench press on smith machine: 185x12

I was getting bored with just weighted pushups so I decided to try the smith machine and see how my shoulder feels. did 185x12 in the first set on slight incline bench press and did 30 rest/pause reps after that. felt pretty good. I know smith machine is not optimal but it gives a little variaty until my shoulder lets me bench again =)

Sudnay: rest day and last day of Epi-Andro and my cycle =( will start pct on Monday.

I weighed in at 166 pounds and waist was still the same so that's a 2 pound increase in 2 weeks on a caloric deficit =)

I also attached update pics.

Final review:

during my cycle I went from 162 to 166 pounds on a caloric deficit while decreasing my waist by more than 1 inch. I definitely tighten up and added lean muscle mass. strength increased on every lift with leg press being the biggest increase which was over 50 pounds. I was stuck on that exercise for a while and this cycle helped me get past this.the only side effect I had was a little bit of oily skin for a week besides that no sides to report. I had 3 days during the cycle where I went off my diet and the cycle definitely helped prevent fat gain on those days (they were pretty crazy) that impressed me big time.

I can recommend this cycle and IML to everyone their products are the real deal and everybody in this forum is very helpful and supports you in any way they can (special thanks to ebfitness :cool:).
I am already thinking about my next cycle and I will log my pct as well here in this log.

 

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Awesome review, man! I'll continue to follow your PCT and look forward to your future cycle logs!
 
ebfitness said:
Will you be cutting, maintaining, or increasing cals?
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I'm gonna be eating around 2160 calories a day with the following macro breakdown:
70g fat 150g carbs and 215g protein.

during cycle I started with 1700 cal and then upped it to 2000 cals.

my maintenance is around 2500 cals so the 2160 should be below maintenance but is above on cycle calories.
I wouldn't mind if I would stay around the same/recomp during pct because I want to keep the muscle mass but since I don't know how my body will react regarding fat gain etc. I thought I start out a little below maintenance.

what do you think?
 
fobz said:
I'm gonna be eating around 2160 calories a day with the following macro breakdown:
70g fat 150g carbs and 215g protein.

during cycle I started with 1700 cal and then upped it to 2000 cals.

my maintenance is around 2500 cals so the 2160 should be below maintenance but is above on cycle calories.
I wouldn't mind if I would stay around the same/recomp during pct because I want to keep the muscle mass but since I don't know how my body will react regarding fat gain etc. I thought I start out a little below maintenance.

what do you think?
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That actually sounds ok. The fact that it's a bit more than on cycle will help to maintain gains, and it's not too high above on cycle cals AND below maintenance so there's not too much room for fat gain. Now, you could possibly get a bit softer looking just because you'll be off cycle (especially coming off Epi-Andro) but don't freak out cause it doesn't mean it's fat.

Just keep lifting heavy, monitor cals, keep an eye on the waist line...and you should be fine. Throw in a cheat meal every two weeks as the last meal of the day (preferably the same day each time). A couple other things you can do is, don't keep the cals exactly the same each day, ziz-zag them between 2000 and 2200 to keep the metabolism working. Then when the metabolism starts to tire after a couple weeks you get your cheat day which will fire it back up. Also, feel free to throw in some interval cardio through out the week to keep the fat off.

Fun stuff!:rolleyes:
 
ebfitness said:
That actually sounds ok. The fact that it's a bit more than on cycle will help to maintain gains, and it's not too high above on cycle cals AND below maintenance so there's not too much room for fat gain. Now, you could possibly get a bit softer looking just because you'll be off cycle (especially coming off Epi-Andro) but don't freak out cause it doesn't mean it's fat.

Just keep lifting heavy, monitor cals, keep an eye on the waist line...and you should be fine. Throw in a cheat meal every two weeks as the last meal of the day (preferably the same day each time). A couple other things you can do is, don't keep the cals exactly the same each day, ziz-zag them between 2000 and 2200 to keep the metabolism working. Then when the metabolism starts to tire after a couple weeks you get your cheat day which will fire it back up. Also, feel free to throw in some interval cardio through out the week to keep the fat off.

Fun stuff!:rolleyes:
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thanks a lot eb! you are a life saver :D that's a great idea with the zig zag of the calories I didn't know that but it makes sense =) I will keep you updated how it goes. will probably throw in some cardio here and there (not my favorite thing to do:rolleyes:)

how long after pct should I wait to get blood work done?
 
fobz said:
thanks a lot eb! you are a life saver :D that's a great idea with the zig zag of the calories I didn't know that but it makes sense =) I will keep you updated how it goes. will probably throw in some cardio here and there (not my favorite thing to do:rolleyes:)

how long after pct should I wait to get blood work done?
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I'd wait 4 weeks when your body's had time to clean out.
 
ebfitness said:
Using my codes will do, haha! :p
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only one I will use and also the one I tell all my friends to use if they order;)

Monday: first day of PCT. felt alright a little demotivated but otherwise good. workout was good. I did the same as I usually do but it took me a little longer than normal. diet was on point.

A:
Leg Press: 845x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x11
Incline Bench (Smith Machine): 185x10
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x11
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x11 (total of 40 reps)
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x9
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x13

Tuesday: felt a little more motivated than yesterday. definitely feeling a little more sore/tired so I guess recovery is not as fast anymore. strength is still the same and I hope it stays that way =) diet was on point.


B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x10
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 45 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Incline Bench (Smith Machine): 185x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x8
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x11
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x13

I'm sure Epi-Andro is still somewhat active in my system. I took the last dose Sunday around 3pm. I feel my endurance is a little down but strength is about the same. how long after the last dose is it usually still active/helping you? around 1 week?
 
ebfitness said:
This would be the perfect time to utilize Maximum Pump! It will definitely boost energy, strength, endurance, and recovery!

http://www.ironmaglabs.com/product-list/maximum-pump/
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I will definitely check that out as soon as I have finished what's left of my current pwo =) need a break from stim heavy pwo's so that looks like an awesome product =)

Wednesday: felt better than Monday. still doing the same weights(here and there a rep less). workouts are definitely feeling harder than on cycle but they are still good intensity. hunger varies during the day between I feel sick and I am starving give me food haha. I had to stop the incline benching again because of my shoulder -_-

A:
Leg Press: 845x11
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x10
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x11 (total of 60 reps)
Wide Grip Cable Rows: 130x11
Seated Leg Curls: 130x10
Concentration Curls: 30x9
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x8
standing calf raises(squat machine): 250x19
cable upright row: 110x12

Thursday: pretty sore at the moment. definitely feel the slower recovery. however I also feel happier than at the beginning of the week so maybe my body starts to get things going again. the workout was good for some weird reason my RDL seems to be easier than the last week on cycle. I have a pretty good muscle mind connection on that exercise at the moment which I usually have some issues with. the rest still feels harder than on cycle but so far I have maintained strength.

B:
Romanian Deadlift: 265x12
Weighted Chin-up: BW+25x10
Weighted Push-Ups: BW+70x12 (total of 60 reps)
Chest supported Dumbbell Row (elbows out): 65x10
Leg Extensions: 160x11
Incline Dumbbell Curl: 30x8
Triceps Pushdown(rope attachment): 80x8
seated calf raise machine: 115x20
Side Laterals (cable): 20x12
Reverse Flyes (machine): 85x12

I'll update tomorrow with some pics after 6 days of pct. so far so good. don't think I have gained any fat and seems like I kept my strength so far. hope it stays that way =)
 
Just don't let PCT get in your head too much. Some people automatically assume they'll be weaker with less focus and energy, next it's thinking they're smaller/fatter. Just focus on all those good test boosters, AIs, PWOs, and good foods fueling your workouts. Think big, lean, and strong...right up till your next cycle, haha!
 
ebfitness said:
Just don't let PCT get in your head too much. Some people automatically assume they'll be weaker with less focus and energy, next it's thinking they're smaller/fatter. Just focus on all those good test boosters, AIs, PWOs, and good foods fueling your workouts. Think big, lean, and strong...right up till your next cycle, haha!
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solid advice man! you are totally right. the mind can be your best ally or biggest enemy especially in the iron game. if you believe it you can achieve it :cool:
 

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