Epi-Andro and Super-DMZ 3.0 Stack Recommendations

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Hi everyone although this is my first post, I've read this board and numerous other PH/AAS forums, so I'm not a complete noob!

About me:
Age-24
Height-5'8"
Weight-175
Lifting Experience-on and off for about 7 years

This will be my second PH cycle, and I know some of you will hate on my weight, but at 5'8 and a relatively low body fat% 175 lbs. Isn't as bad is it may sound. My first cycle I ran epistane (solo) and had pretty good results, and have been looking forward to my next cycle ever since. It's been about 7 months since my last cycle. I'm mainly looking for strength improvements, I'm already fairly lean I wouldn't mind getting leaner, but not really the goal of this cycle, if it happens great. I will be eating 3k+ cal and adjusting based on appetite, strength gains, fatigue, and body comp changes. I don't really like to set a specific number of calories or a set number of MACRO's, I just make sure I get a good balance of proteins, carbs, and fats throughout the day.

Also, I'm an exercise science major so I'm not a complete moron when it comes to lifting, nutrition, and everything else. Having said that, I'm not the type of person who thinks they know more than everyone else and can't benefit from the help of others. I'm looking forward to getting y'alls insight throughout this process.

I did read the sticky on EPI-andro stacks, and saw it was recommended to take 4 epi-andro's with 2 Super-DMZ's/day. To me, for me and my cycle, that seems a little excessive to run that for the duration of the cycle. I was planning on running a 5-6 week cycle, and I would like to end up at 4 EPI-Andro's and 2 Super DMZ's per day....Here's what I was thinking:

Week 1: First 3 days 2 EA/day ----> next 4 days 3 EA
Week 2: 3 EA - 1 SuperDMZ
Week 3: 4 EA- 1 SuperDMZ
Week 4: 4 EA - 2 SuperDMZ
Week 5: 4 EA - 2 superdmz

Week 5-10: Nolva at 20mg

And I do have some Letro on hand.


My question is, am I over thinking it here? I don't want to end my cycle and say dang I wish I would have just done 4 EA and 2 DMZ everyday, but at the same time don't want to over do things. I apologize if this comes across as stupid, or redundant to some of you, but I did a lot of research on EA/SuperDMZ stacks and couldn't find a ton of information out there. I'd love some input from you guys, and if anyone's interested I'll log my cycle.

Thanks guys!
 
Also, just wanted to thank IML, I got my order in just 2 days with standard shipping!
 
Welcome to the IronMagLabs forums Kevin. We would love to have you log the cycle not only for the benefit of people in the future looking to win aa similar cycle but for yourself as well... To have an accurate way to change your progress.

As for the cycle, the sticky I had made was moderately dosed for the average guy. Some people can get away with less or even as much as 6 caps of each product.

I myself am not a fan of regulating doses up and down mid cycle as it prevents your body from reaching a stable blood concentration of the hormone... Which can inadvertently cause a user to experience more side effects.

The 200 mg Epi andro and 20 mg 3.0 are both moderately conservative doses. You'll find better gains with a shorter cycle starting at these doses than working up to them over a period of time.

Also I noticed you said you'd begin your pct in wk 5, however you'd still be running your hormones at that point, which would mean you'd want to begin pct in wk 6. Also estrogen rebound is always a possibility following a serm... This is why I recommend the use of a mild ai following nolva in pct, to help prevent the aromatase and chance for delayed gynecomastia.
 
Adrenolin said:
Welcome to the IronMagLabs forums Kevin. We would love to have you log the cycle not only for the benefit of people in the future looking to win aa similar cycle but for yourself as well... To have an accurate way to change your progress.

As for the cycle, the sticky I had made was moderately dosed for the average guy. Some people can get away with less or even as much as 6 caps of each product.

I myself am not a fan of regulating doses up and down mid cycle as it prevents your body from reaching a stable blood concentration of the hormone... Which can inadvertently cause a user to experience more side effects.

The 200 mg Epi andro and 20 mg 3.0 are both moderately conservative doses. You'll find better gains with a shorter cycle starting at these doses than working up to them over a period of time.

Also I noticed you said you'd begin your pct in wk 5, however you'd still be running your hormones at that point, which would mean you'd want to begin pct in wk 6. Also estrogen rebound is always a possibility following a serm... This is why I recommend the use of a mild ai following nolva in pct, to help prevent the aromatase and chance for delayed gynecomastia.
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I appreciate the response.

The week 5 thing was a typo, the PCT would start in week 6 as you pointed out.

Also, following Nolva is letro going to be too harsh of an AI to prevent a gyno rebound? I've read where people get the rebound gyno from letro alone so I was curious as to how that would all work.

One reason I was planning on ramping up my dosage was so that I could run the cycle for 5 weeks (I have 2 bottles of EA and 1 of Super DMZ) because I've often read, and found in my limited experience that the gains really start to come in the later weeks (obviously).

What if I were to do 4 EA everyday for a week and then in the second week start at 2 caps of Super DMZ? Only issue I would have with this is my last week would be solely DMZ and libido and lethargy would be a concern...I guess having typed all this, and pretty much thinking out loud, I'm begging to lean towards a 4 week cycle where I take 4 EA and SuperDMZ as you suggested....

Sorry for kind of rambling there, but unless you say anything else I guess ill stick to the protocol you suggested. I took 2 EA caps at 2ish, no reason why I shouldn't take 2 more and the 2 DMZ caps before bed is there?

Thanks again for the help, and I cant wait to start!
 
Adrenolin said:
Welcome to the IronMagLabs forums Kevin. We would love to have you log the cycle not only for the benefit of people in the future looking to win aa similar cycle but for yourself as well... To have an accurate way to change your progress.

As for the cycle, the sticky I had made was moderately dosed for the average guy. Some people can get away with less or even as much as 6 caps of each product.

I myself am not a fan of regulating doses up and down mid cycle as it prevents your body from reaching a stable blood concentration of the hormone... Which can inadvertently cause a user to experience more side effects.

The 200 mg Epi andro and 20 mg 3.0 are both moderately conservative doses. You'll find better gains with a shorter cycle starting at these doses than working up to them over a period of time.

Also I noticed you said you'd begin your pct in wk 5, however you'd still be running your hormones at that point, which would mean you'd want to begin pct in wk 6. Also estrogen rebound is always a possibility following a serm... This is why I recommend the use of a mild ai following nolva in pct, to help prevent the aromatase and chance for delayed gynecomastia.
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The PCT at week 5 was a typo. Meant week 6. And I guess I'll follow your advice the only reason I was really leaning towards ramping up the dosage was so that I could do a 5 week cycle. I took 2 EA's today at 2 any reason why I shouldnt/can't take 2 more + 2 DMZ with dinner tonight?

And Is letro too harsh of an AI following Nolvadex? Thanks again can't wait to get into this cycle!!!
 
Yea just try to take your doses at a consistent time of the day to help keep blood hormone levels stable. Also be sure to take cycle support at least 3 - 4 hrs separate from your hormone doses, especially the methyls.

And yes, imho letro is too strong, you want to regulate your estrogen, not annihilate it. estrogen is also beneficial to the body in helping the strength and elasticity of tendons as well as keeping your libido, and you also limit your muscle gains if you destroy your estrogen
 
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