First Time PH try

[akhunter02]

Im considering trying a cycle, I'm thinking Halo?. About me, 51 Y/O 6ft 4in 193lbs approx 10-12%bf I have been working out for 18 months, over that time ive lost 35lbs and dropped about 10%bf. Lean muscle gains are coming very slow, I knew it would at my age. I currently do a Upper Lower split, Eat very clean, 50/30/20 macros. I was diagnoised with Low T two yrs ago and currently take 2 5GM Units of Andro Gel per day. With all that in mind, does anyone have suggestions?, Do I try a cycle, stay away, if I try a cycle what about my current HRT?

Thanks in advance

 

[chrisotpherm]

Halo would be a great starting point combined with hrt.

 

[s2h]

Im considering trying a cycle, I'm thinking Halo?. About me, 51 Y/O 6ft 4in 193lbs approx 10-12%bf I have been working out for 18 months, over that time ive lost 35lbs and dropped about 10%bf. Lean muscle gains are coming very slow, I knew it would at my age. I currently do a Upper Lower split, Eat very clean, 50/30/20 macros. I was diagnoised with Low T two yrs ago and currently take 2 5GM Units of Andro Gel per day. With all that in mind, does anyone have suggestions?, Do I try a cycle, stay away, if I try a cycle what about my current HRT?

Thanks in advance

a ph/ds would def give you a kick...im curious how low your t was....androgel has been shown to be a fairly weak compound and normally gves only a 50-100 point swing in levels....at 50 yrs old it shouldnt be hard at all to get a cyp script...to your original question i would say run halo-e at 2-3 caps ed....and bridge any cycle with osta rx...

 

[heavyiron]

Im considering trying a cycle, I'm thinking Halo?. About me, 51 Y/O 6ft 4in 193lbs approx 10-12%bf I have been working out for 18 months, over that time ive lost 35lbs and dropped about 10%bf. Lean muscle gains are coming very slow, I knew it would at my age. I currently do a Upper Lower split, Eat very clean, 50/30/20 macros. I was diagnoised with Low T two yrs ago and currently take 2 5GM Units of Andro Gel per day. With all that in mind, does anyone have suggestions?, Do I try a cycle, stay away, if I try a cycle what about my current HRT?

Thanks in advance

Halo Extreme with HRT would be about as good as it gets at your age. Its a low organ stress way to get that extra kick in the gym.

 

[akhunter02]

thanks for the input, my T level was 175 and now about 400, just enough to clear up my complaints, had sleep issues, belly weight gain, mood swings, lathargic, lack of energy. Didnt have enough energy to work out. Ive leaned out, feel better, but gaining lean muscle has proven to be very hard, about 5lbs in 10 months.

a ph/ds would def give you a kick...im curious how low your t was....androgel has been shown to be a fairly weak compound and normally gves only a 50-100 point swing in levels....at 50 yrs old it shouldnt be hard at all to get a cyp script...to your original question i would say run halo-e at 2-3 caps ed....and bridge any cycle with osta rx...

 

[chrisotpherm]

Yeah halo would be a good fit for you man.

 

[akhunter02]

Thanks,
so taking my current HRT into account, what should I get to go along with the Halo? what will the stack look like and how should I dose it? Do i continue my HRT while taking the stack and so on?

Thanks again

Halo Extreme with HRT would be about as good as it gets at your age. Its a low organ stress way to get that extra kick in the gym.

 

[heavyiron]

Thanks,
so taking my current HRT into account, what should I get to go along with the Halo? what will the stack look like and how should I dose it? Do i continue my HRT while taking the stack and so on?

Thanks again

Your T levels with HRT still look a touch low. I like to see guys over 800ng/dl total T. Halo will not raise T levels so it is highly advised you continue HRT treatment while on a suppressive compound like Halo. No PCT is needed since you will be on the andro gel. I would just do a basic cycle like this;

6 WEEKS

15 grams androgel daily
3 caps Halo Extreme daily spread out with meals
2 caps Advanced Cycle Support daily

Cycle Support is jam packed with anti oxidants so you could continue to take it. I use 2 caps daily year around myself.

 

[akhunter02]

Thanks for the advice, thats what I will do. As my name sake suggest Im in Alaska and love hunting, once Im back from moose hunting Ill start my cycle and post progress.

Thanks again

Your T levels with HRT still look a touch low. I like to see guys over 800ng/dl total T. Halo will not raise T levels so it is highly advised you continue HRT treatment while on a suppressive compound like Halo. No PCT is needed since you will be on the andro gel. I would just do a basic cycle like this;

6 WEEKS

15 grams androgel daily
3 caps Halo Extreme daily spread out with meals
2 caps Advanced Cycle Support daily

Cycle Support is jam packed with anti oxidants so you could continue to take it. I use 2 caps daily year around myself.

 

[heavyiron]

Thanks for the advice, thats what I will do. As my name sake suggest Im in Alaska and love hunting, once Im back from moose hunting Ill start my cycle and post progress.

Thanks again

You are very welcome and good luck!

 

[akhunter02]

Thoughts

Your T levels with HRT still look a touch low. I like to see guys over 800ng/dl total T. Halo will not raise T levels so it is highly advised you continue HRT treatment while on a suppressive compound like Halo. No PCT is needed since you will be on the andro gel. I would just do a basic cycle like this;

6 WEEKS

15 grams androgel daily
3 caps Halo Extreme daily spread out with meals
2 caps Advanced Cycle Support daily

Cycle Support is jam packed with anti oxidants so you could continue to take it. I use 2 caps daily year around myself.

I plan on following the cycle noted above beginning in Sept. In the mean time I have been doing research to better educate myself. I came across an article suggesting first times follow a

1 week on 1 week off
2 weeks on 2 weeks off
4 weeks on 4 weeks off
with normal PCT on off weeks

Any thoughts on this?​

 

[chrisotpherm]

The suggested time on plus pct is the time you should go off. So 4wks using PH, 4wks pct, is 8wks off all together. You can do 6wks off and go back on, but would wait on doing this after getting a few cycles under your belt.

 

[akhunter02]

AI?

That's where you should start, except as noted before, you're not going to need the pct while taking androgel... pct is designed to get your testosterone levels back to normal, and since you're on the gel, you would already be doing that... so really, all you need is two bottles of halo extreme and some cycle support (no need to buy the 'stack') and you should be good to go as far as running the cycle goes
1 week on 1 week off or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off you'll be wasting your time and money, I'd run a 6-week cycle as heavyiron mentioned on the first page, or if you're not comfortable with that duration you can do 4 weeks, see how you feel there, and if all goes well extend it out to 6, good luck

Thanks so much, thats what Ill do, one other thing, Ive read some threads that have talked about taking a AI (Aromatase inhibitors) is this something I should take?

 

[akhunter02]

On the way

Good question. Technically speaking, and as advertised, halo is not suppose to aromatize... that said, I've had a guy in another forum tell me he got gyno after halo (altho he could have been stacking it with other compounds, who knows), so if I were you, being me I would pick up a bottle of e-control, just to be on the safe side. Its basically 6-oxo, a suicide inhibitor, and you can read all about it's various uses here:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/arnold/6-oxo.htm

I would use it AFTER cycle however (as soon as you finish halo), it will help clear up any excess estrogen should you have any and keep you from growing tatas ^_^

Thanks again guys, you all have been very helpful, I placed an order this morning and plan on starting as soon as I get back from my moose hunt. Ill post updates after the cycle has started.

 

[chrisotpherm]

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