Heavyiron could you help me out? first time cycle

[gymfreak2008]

my cycle is similar to spectroid's

MSTEN weeks 1-4 20/20/20/20

2 pills of advance cycle support from weeks 1-4 taking separately from msten

taking 2 pills of anabolic matirx from weeks 1-4 with msten

PCT

2 pills advance cycle support from weeks 5-8

2 pills anabolic matrix weeks 5-8

liquid clomid 50/50/25/25 weeks 5-8

3 pills E-control rx weeks 8-10

im shooting for mainly mass and strength gains so i will be eating at a 500 calorie surplus. Im thinking i should run 4-andro because i heard it helps battle with lethargy? could you shed some light on that? also if i do run the 4-andro you told specroid that anabolic matrix is not needed, so is it then necessary to have it in my pct? i dont want to spend the extra 40 dollars to run it on my pct if its not necessary.. my next question is i bought 2 bottles of msten and have read great reviews on people running it for 6 weeks at 20/20/20/20/20/20 could i do this and run the 4-andro at 2 caps a day at the last 4 weeks of my cycle? or would you just suggest running them both 4 weeks and thats it? either way im sure ill enjoy!

 

[Adrenolin]

For most effective results I'd recommend:
Extending the cycle to 6wks at 3caps ed
Swapping out the Anabolic Matrix for 4-Andro at 3caps ed (2 bottles)
Increasing the ACS to 3caps in both Cycle and PCT (1 more bottle)
Don't bother tapering the clomid dosage, leave it at 50mg for 28 days

 

[gymfreak2008]

Biggiesmallz are you also on phforum.com with the same name? If so you've seen my post there, I'm still feeling a little stuck on what I'm going to do. Lol

 

[heavyiron]

my cycle is similar to spectroid's

MSTEN weeks 1-4 20/20/20/20

2 pills of advance cycle support from weeks 1-4 taking separately from msten

taking 2 pills of anabolic matirx from weeks 1-4 with msten

PCT

2 pills advance cycle support from weeks 5-8

2 pills anabolic matrix weeks 5-8

liquid clomid 50/50/25/25 weeks 5-8

3 pills E-control rx weeks 8-10

im shooting for mainly mass and strength gains so i will be eating at a 500 calorie surplus. Im thinking i should run 4-andro because i heard it helps battle with lethargy? could you shed some light on that? also if i do run the 4-andro you told specroid that anabolic matrix is not needed, so is it then necessary to have it in my pct? i dont want to spend the extra 40 dollars to run it on my pct if its not necessary.. my next question is i bought 2 bottles of msten and have read great reviews on people running it for 6 weeks at 20/20/20/20/20/20 could i do this and run the 4-andro at 2 caps a day at the last 4 weeks of my cycle? or would you just suggest running them both 4 weeks and thats it? either way im sure ill enjoy!

4-andro converts to testosterone so I prefer it over Anabolic Matrix. I would use 4-andro on cycle instead. You also don't absolutely need anabolic matrix in PCT if using Clomid.

6 weeks is the absolute max I would recommend on M-STEN but IML recommends only 4 weeks.

Using 4-andro the last 4 weeks of your cycle is fine if you decide on the M-STEN for 6 brother. Especially if you are on a budget.

 

[gymfreak2008]

I'm going to throw out anabolic matrix and run 4 andro the first 4 weeks and then decide to buy another bottle or not. Thanks heavy iron. Do I run 4 andro at 2 caps Ed?

 

[heavyiron]

I'm going to throw out anabolic matrix and run 4 andro the first 4 weeks and then decide to buy another bottle or not. Thanks heavy iron. Do I run 4 andro at 2 caps Ed?

That would be my minimum recommendation brother. 4-andro may be run up to 4 caps daily no problem.

 

[gymfreak2008]

alright so after some decision making i decided to cancel my order and re order
2x msten
2x 4-andro
1x advance cycle support
1x e-control

The reason for this is that ive heard 4-andro helps with lethargy and with my job line and bodybuilding i have to be on top of my game every day and really dont want to risk the chance at becoming lethargic.
my order is due to be here by the 26th so i will be starting it the 27th.
as of right now i am preloading hawthorne berry extract. heres what my cycle will look like

​CYCLE​
2x msten ED 20/20/20/20/20
3x 4-andro ED 3/3/3/3/3 taking with msten
2x advance cycle support ED from weeks 1-5

​Post Cycle Therapy​

liquid clomid 50/50/50/50
i may possibly run a test booster
2x advance cycle support ED weeks 6-8

The reason im running 5 weeks instead of 6 is because i will be leaving for vegas for work and would like some time to recover from it before traveling and most of all making sure im consuming all the calories necessary to grow because with traveling i would be calorie restricted and gym resricted. im a competitive bodybuilder coming into my offseason looking to put more lean dry mass on and will be eating 3500-4000 cals on my lifting days and 2800-3000 calories on my non lifting days. could anyone tell me would 3x 4-andro be to much? as in "to much" i mean would i retain water or "bloat" at this amount, like i said before im looking for lean dry gains.

 

[locallifter]

No need to worry about the 4-Andro. I personally know someone who ran 4 daily for 4 weeks with no bloat issues.

 

[gymfreak2008]

Would it benefit me to run 4 a day?

 

[the_animal]

4 a day is fine, but with me being 245+ and 6'1" i had to go 6 caps till iactually got something out of it

 

[gymfreak2008]

So I've been having fantastic results!! This is my last week on a 6 week cycle and since the only side effect I've had is a quick temper I'm going to up my dose too... I also upped the calories 500
30mg msten
3caps 4 andro
2 caps cycle support
Ive checked my Bp 3 times a week and it has been normal. Yesterday was my first day of 30mg of msten and this morning my Bp was a little high but still pretty normal. I'm hoping to squeeze out 2 more pounds.

 

[heavyiron]

Great to hear brother!

 

[gymfreak2008]

Okay so today I randomly pinched my left nipple and some clear liquid came out.. This makes me a little freaked out. They aren't sensitive at all nor do I have any lumps underneath them. Should I run 20 mg of nolva until symptoms go away or not worry about it? This is my last week of my cycle.