Howarth's Second Cycle! Msten & 4-Andro

Howarth17 said:
I kind of want to go in again later tonight to do some more... Don't want to "overtrain" tho lol
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I do know that feeling! When I was 3 weeks into the SDMZ cycle last month I actually got up to piss at 3am () then said wtf I'm going to the gym and was just there like 5 hrs before. Lol.

Another time it was dark when I left the gym and i had gotten there like 430p.

Had to put that to rest cause of the overtraining issues and I couldn't really notice if I was screwing up tendons etc especially my chronic elbow tendinitis.

I can't wait for next cycle!

And no more long rests in between cycles anymore
 
Day 20!

Did back today. Ok so first exercise I did was lat pulldowns, and for some unknown reason I was feeling it in my left shoulder again. Same as yesterday... Maybe my shoulder is just tight or something. Anyway, kind of just went by feel today and tried training until failure. I think I might start to utilize more machines/cables/hammer strength so I can reach closer to failure without worrying about dropping a barbel on my neck :D

Weighing in at around 210.

Lat pull down:
135x10, 135x10, 105x10, 105x10, 105x10


Db row:
45x10, 45x10, 45x10, 45x10, 45x10


T bar row:
70x10, 70x10, 95x10, 95x10, 95x10


Barbell row:
95x10, 115x10, 115x10, 115x10, 115x10


Dead lift:
225x10, 225x10, 225x10, 235x5


Barbell curl:
45x15, 45x15, 45x15, 45x15


Db concentration curl:
20x15, 25x15, 25x15, 25x15


Db hammer curl:
30x15, 30x15, 25x15, 25x15


Rope hammer curl:
65x15, 65x15, 80x15,
 
Day 21

Back kind of sore from yesterday. Not sure if it's back pumps or I fucked up form on deadlift. Did legs today though

Squats:
135x10, 185x10, 185x10, 185x10


Leg press:
310x10, 310x10, 330x10, 330x10


Seated leg curl:
110x10, 110x10, 130x10, 130x10


Leg extension:
190x10, 190x16, 190x16, 190x16


Single leg curl:
60x15, 60x15, 60x14, 60x14

 
Is it possible to hit a plateau right in the middle of a cycle? Looked up a plateau article on bodybuilding.com and it basically sounds like what is happening to me. Thinking of dropping the reps PCT to around 5 and just focusing on lifting heavier, probably still keep the reps high on arms/accessory lifts...
 
Howarth17 said:
Is it possible to hit a plateau right in the middle of a cycle? Looked up a plateau article on bodybuilding.com and it basically sounds like what is happening to me. Thinking of dropping the reps PCT to around 5 and just focusing on lifting heavier, probably still keep the reps high on arms/accessory lifts...
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You definitely want to lift heavy in PCT to maintain gains. But what happened to your training? Before you were doing more of a power-building routine...and enjoying it from what I remember. Now it looks like you're just doing more of the same thing each set. Training needs to be more consistent on cycle.
 
idk i kept reading into things and it said I should keep volume high (8-12) if size was my priority. I see people at my school gym benching more than me and squatting more but they're still smaller than me. And then i watch all the big guys on youtube and it looks like they're always doing 10+ reps
 
Howarth17 said:
idk i kept reading into things and it said I should keep volume high (8-12) if size was my priority. I see people at my school gym benching more than me and squatting more but they're still smaller than me. And then i watch all the big guys on youtube and it looks like they're always doing 10+ reps
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And now you've plateaued.. Powerbuilding will give you low and high reps, light and heavy weights...the best of both worlds. I've been everywhere from 132 lbs to 213 lbs, powerbuilding along with either a cutting or bulking diet always gets me to my desired weight.
 
Howarth17 said:
And then i watch all the big guys on youtube and it looks like they're always doing 10+ reps
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Powerbuilders:


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ebfitness said:
And now you've plateaued.. Powerbuilding will give you low and high reps, light and heavy weights...the best of both worlds. I've been everywhere from 132 lbs to 213 lbs, powerbuilding along with either a cutting or bulking diet always gets me to my desired weight.
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Yeah I have a habit of reading too much into things. I mean I did get up there in my own personal weight. Weighed in at 215 (I started out at like 195) yesterday, so maybe it's just the fact that it doesn't really look like a whole lot of an increase on a person of my height.
 
ebfitness said:
Just saw him at the O...good guy.
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Yeah I had the chance to go with several Magnum people, but had just gotten back from Cali and couldn't swing it ... Was invited to the Magnum Mansion party and everything :(
 
Benoit23 said:
Yeah I had the chance to go with several Magnum people, but had just gotten back from Cali and couldn't swing it ... Was invited to the Magnum Mansion party and everything :(
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Don't you hate yourself, haha?!
 
ebfitness said:
Don't you hate yourself, haha?!
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Believe me I really do haha ... imagine a FB feed full of non stop magnum models, athletes and my friends livin it up ... Posin with Pettis' belt and shit ... UGGGHHH!! next year I will not be missing it thats for sure.
 
Benoit23 said:
Believe me I really do haha ... imagine a FB feed full of non stop magnum models, athletes and my friends livin it up ... Posin with Pettis' belt and shit ... UGGGHHH!! next year I will not be missing it thats for sure.
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Yup, I made a promise to myself in 2006 that I would never miss another Olympia weekend...they're just ridiculous! :cool:
 
Day 22

Did shoulders and traps today! Didn't have class until 12:30 today so I decided I would train after breakfast and my first dose of msten and 4-andro. Felt pretty good. I usually don't do behind the head shoulder presses but it feels pretty good. However, when I'm getting ready to rack the weight and bring it back in front of my face and lower it down, that's when my left shoulder begins to feel a tad uncomfortable.

Behind neck shoulder press:
65x12, 85x10, 95x8, 105x8, 115x5


Arnold press:
30x12, 35x10, 40x8, 40x8, 45x8


Lateral raise:
15x12, 20x12, 25x10, 30x8, 30x8


Reverse peck deck:
85x12, 115x10, 145x8, 145x8, 145x8


Barbell shrug:
135x12, 135x12, 185x10, 205x8, 205x8

Also did 4 sets of farmer walks with 90 pound dumbbells for around 40/50 feet. Got a pretty sick pump in my forearms!
 
Howarth17 said:
Is there anything I can do to fix bloating?
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Yes, but the bloating could be from many different things. But things that combat bloating would be:

eating less carbs and sodium
run an AI (E-Control)
run a natural diuretic (Razor Cuts)
avoid foods you have trouble digesting
 
Day 23: Arms

Barbell curl:
55x12, 65x12, 65x12, 65x12, 65x12


Incline curl:
20x12, 20x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x12


Concentration curl:
20x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x12


Close grip bench:
115x12, 115x12, 115x12, 115x9, 115x10


Standing French press:
65x10, 65x10, 65x10, 65x10, 65x10


Rope pull down:
32.5x12, 32.5x12, 42.5x12, 42.5x12,
42.5x12
 
How are your arms coming along with the cycle? Pleased with results?
 
LatRaze said:
How are your arms coming along with the cycle? Pleased with results?
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Pretty good. When they're pumped they get to like 16 inches. One thing I've noticed is that they're not very long. However the peaks are coming in nicely, more so my left than right. Which is weird considering I'm right handed.
 
Howarth17 said:
Pretty good. When they're pumped they get to like 16 inches. One thing I've noticed is that they're not very long. However the peaks are coming in nicely, more so my left than right. Which is weird considering I'm right handed.
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16 is good size.

When you say they're not very long, do you mean there's a gap down towards the elbow cease to the bicep?
 
Howarth17 said:
so just like single arm over the preacher thing?
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You could do it with a bb as well, I just like the dbs cause my arms get uneven a bit with bb only workouts. Apparently my right gun is wanting to do more of the work cause I'm right handed so it grows larger.
 
Day 26

[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Decline bench:
95x12, 115x12, 135x12, 185x5, 205x2 (could've gotten more!!!)


Incline bench:
115x12, 135x10, 155x5, 155x5, 160x5


Dumbbell flues:
25x12, 30x12, 35x10, 40x8, 40x8


Chin up:
3, 3, switching to assisted
48x5, 48x5, 48x5, 48x5, 48x5, 60x10, 60x10


Barbell row:
95x12, 105x10, 115x10, 125x8, 125x8


T bar row:
90x12, 115x10, 125x10, 135x8, 135x8
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Finally managed to bench over 200 pounds, even if it was decline! Hoping I can keep all my strength gains and even still go up during pct. feels good to finally be 200+ Benching. Weights been staggering around 210-212. Might throw some "dirty" foods in here or there in an attempt to take in some extra calories without spending all day in the cafeteria.
 
Howarth17 said:
Finally managed to bench over 200 pounds, even if it was decline! Hoping I can keep all my strength gains and even still go up during pct. feels good to finally be 200+ Benching. Weights been staggering around 210-212. Might throw some "dirty" foods in here or there in an attempt to take in some extra calories without spending all day in the cafeteria.
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Some "dirty" foods here and there will be fine for you. I even have my fat-loss clients have a cheat at least once every two weeks.
 
Day 27

Today I did shoulders/biceps/triceps. I tried super setting my bicep/triceps exercises today and I gotta say... Who needs cardio when you do super sets. Biceps and triceps were killing me. Going to do legs tomorrow and then hit chest again Thursday, Arms/shoulders Friday and legs on Saturday again. Going to try and suck out all the gains I can from this cycle. Then I'm gonna get a body fat test to see how long I'll need to cut for to get around the 10-12 BF range. Cutting won't start until after New Year's though :D

[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Behind neck shoulder press:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]85x12, 95x10, 105x8, 110x8, 120x5[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]
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[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Arnold press:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]35x12, 40x10, 45x8, 45x7, 45x8[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]
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[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Lateral raise:[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]20x12, 20x12, 25x8, 25x8, 25x8[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]
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[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Barbell curl (superset cg bench)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]65x12, 65x12, 65x12, 65x12, 65x12[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]115x10, 115x10, 115x10, 115x8, 115x8[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]
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[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Incline db curl (ss overhead Tricep)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]25x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x9, 25x10[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]65x7, 55x8, 55x10, 55x10, 55x9[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]
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[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]Concentration curl (ss rope pulldown)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]25x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x10, 25x10[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0,0,0,0.701961)]80x12, 95x12, 95x12, 95x10, 95x10[/COLOR]
 
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