M-sten cycle questions

[jayphillips22]

Just ordered a bottle of m-sten and had a few questions. This will be my fourth cycle I've done original dmz, halo, halo plus cyano and on that cycle after pct I developed gyno and wasn't prepared properly to fix that. So for this cycle I want to have everything I need to make sure the gyno doesn't flare up worse. I was thinking of running 10 mg of nolva with m-sten and anabolic matrix, liv 52 and milk thistle for 4 weeks, than do anabolic matrix plus clomid and liv 52 and milk thistle. Would I need an AI which I still have formeral? Is their anything else I'm missing was thinking male rx but it's sold out so I might order and run last 6 weeks when I can.

 

[chip]

What was your pct when you got gyno? Not common to have gyno from halo/cyano

 

[jayphillips22]

Ya no one understands how it happened but my pct was just the normal iml stack e-control, anabolic matrix, ultra male, cycle support. Got through pct no problem and a couple weeks later got two little pea size lumps that turned into quarter size so than ran every serm/ AI until I got them small enough to not notice them or be painful. I didn't know much about serms at the time so I figured I wouldn't need one but I was wrong.

 

[RoadstarPete]

I have had a gyno flare up or 2 in the past as well...... it's no fun and can make you paranoid for upcoming cycles. I personally use Nolva for PCT since it works well to get your test levels back up quick and also targets gyno issues. There is no need to run nolva on cycle unless gyno symptoms occur and if they do just use 20mg ed until symptoms are gone. If it makes you feel less paranoid then run 10mg ed through your cycle and then up the dose to 20mg ed through pct. As far as an AI, this is overkill but once again if the paranoia will destroy ya then add it in after your pct to stop any rebound gyno issues.

 

[chip]

Try using SERM for pct with ultra male, ACS, and anabolic matrix weeks 5-8. Use econtrol weeks 8-10. This may help.

 

[Mike Arnold]

So, you are saying you got gyno AFTER PCT...not during your cycle or during PCT, correct? This can sometimes happen with SD and cetain other steroids (it happened to me with SD)....the user is fine during his cycle and PCT, but after PCT is done...bam...gyno appears. It is called post-cycle gyno. Taking Nolva while on-cycle will do NOTHING to stop this kind of gyno from occuring...nor does it have any kind of preventative effect months down the road. Nolva ONLY works when it is actually being used. In order to stop this kind of gyno from happening, you need to use Nolva WHEN gyno flares up....as soon as you notice symptoms...NOT months prior. Using Nolva now will do absolutely nothing to stop gyno 2 months down the road. Nolva works by preventing estrogen from attaching to estrogen receptor sites in breast tissue...it does NOT stop the body from producing estrogen. Still, nolva is the single best treatment for stopping gyno in its tracks. Use it when its actually needed...not beforehand.

 

[jayphillips22]

Thanks for all the help that makes a lot of sense. Can't wait to start monday.

 

[jayphillips22]

So ill keep the nolva on hand in case any symptoms arise but as far as a serm goes is clomid the best for pct or would I be fine with just an AI?

 

[RoadstarPete]

So ill keep the nolva on hand in case any symptoms arise but as far as a serm goes is clomid the best for pct or would I be fine with just an AI?

You need to use a SERM. Nolva @20/20/20/20 or clomid @ 50/50/50/50 an AI will not work nearly as good as either of these SERM's for PCT. ******ALWAYS USE A SERM!!!!********