New to this and could use some help

[Vad117]

Hey guys, I'm new to this scene and could really use some advice. But first some background.

Im 6'4" and 160lbs and 21yo. I started lifting about a year a ago for about 3 months and jumped into steroid use right off the bat with andro-rush. I saw some gains but not as much as I would have liked. But ten I relapsed and stopped working out. I'm just starting up again and would like to dive right in with the dmz3.0 stack from blackdiamond along with taking RussianBear 5000 weight gainer (protein and like 20-30 amino acids), l-Arginine, l-glutamine, milk thistle and multivitamin. Does this sound ok? Oh and I'm on wellbutrin (75mgs) and abilify 5mgs but just stopped te abilify On my own. Will this have any interactions?
I don't see why people say not to use PHs right away. Why wait to get the gains I want? I have read about using halo instead of dmz however. Could spend explain why? Sorry I know there are a lot of questions in there but again, I'm an all or nothing kinda guy

 

[AspiringBeast]

6'4 at 160 pounds I feel is too early to use. You have so much potential and will already be making insane gains if you just train and diet right, wait until you start to plateau.

 

[Vad117]

6'4 at 160 pounds I feel is too early to use. You have so much potential and will already be making insane gains if you just train and diet right, wait until you start to plateau.

Why though? When lifting naturally there isn't really a noticeable difference in arm size for at least 2-3 months.

 

[Benoit23]

Why though? When lifting naturally there isn't really a noticeable difference in arm size for at least 2-3 months.

Not to be critical, but I agree with beast. 6'4" and 160??? EAT!! Clean that is and That paired with proper training should give you some good size. Not to say you couldn't use a PH but diet, training, and sleeping should all be perfectly in line first and it sounds like you may not be eating properly for what you're wanting based on those numbers. Just my initial opinion tho. What's your diet like?

 

[ebfitness]

6'4 and 160 lbs? I'd start eating at least 1000 cals over maintenance (beef, eggs, avocados, peanut butter, whole milk, etc.)

 

[Benoit23]

6'4 and 160 lbs? I'd start eating at least 1000 cals over maintenance (beef, eggs, avocados, peanut butter, whole milk, etc.)

Did someone say peanut butter *drool* ... Apple and pb is just too good

 

[BenJie]

You could start but why? You are incredibly lean and can easily "dirty" bulk and by eating 1k calories over you can easily be 180lbs I think by the end of the year and honestly if you read some of the posts that the IML expert Mike Arnold has posted, he doesn't agree with the norm but he even has stated he recommends at least 2 years of training

 

[Vad117]

Probably shoulda put this in the op but I don't gain weight. I don't eat the cleanest I should but it still doesn't happen. Like I had to spend 6 months "away" for a court sentence at a place where most people gain ten lbs a month. I gained 15 lbs over the course of 6. We weren't allowed to work out to much so it was just sitting and eating. That's the only reason I broke 160 in the first place. Before that I was in the 150 range since I was 16. I already eat around 4 meals a day with snacking in between. Gaining weight has always been a large problem for me. It genetics. My parents were twigs growing up as well.

 

[ebfitness]

Probably shoulda put this in the op but I don't gain weight. I don't eat the cleanest I should but it still doesn't happen. Like I had to spend 6 months "away" for a court sentence at a place where most people gain ten lbs a month. I gained 15 lbs over the course of 6. We weren't allowed to work out to much so it was just sitting and eating. That's the only reason I broke 160 in the first place. Before that I was in the 150 range since I was 16. I already eat around 4 meals a day with snacking in between. Gaining weight has always been a large problem for me. It genetics. My parents were twigs growing up as well.

2000 cals over maintenance! Wash every meal down with a shake!

 

[spinyvegeta]

2000 cals over maintenance! Wash every meal down with a shake!

Holy Moly! Wish I could do that without turning into the Michelin Man.

 

[Vad117]

Ok that I can do. Bc I've been trying to gain weight for years. But being the hard gainer I am , I'm still considering a PH or something like dmz. I don't want to get massive, but definitely bigger. I more or less want to use them to pump up and gain strength faster than I would without and once I am where I want to be, just sustain.

 

[Vad117]

I want to be about spinyvegeta's size

 

[Vad117]

Just found this stack on pg 18 in te forums...I do my research! Would it be a good first cycle? How at the gains on a cycle like this?
Shopping Cart:
1x M-Sten
1x Ultra Male
1x Advanced Cycle Support


1x Clomid (purity-solutions.net is having a sale for $12.50 right now)




Cycle
WEEKS 1 - 4
M-Sten
2 caps daily


Ultra Male
1 cap daily


Advanced Cycle Support
2 caps daily


PCT
WEEKS 5 - 8
Clomid
1mL [50mg] daily


Ultra Male
1 cap daily


Advanced Cycle Support
2 caps daily

also, are the only reasons to not use dmz for the first cycle is c of sides? Bc from what I read 4andro or Epi andro combat lethargy and libido issues, advanced cycle support will help my body, and a solid pct (ultra male, e control, and clomid) would cover the rest. So why does everyone say to stay away from something so powerful as a starter? Gotta go big to get big right? I am worried about shrinkage (groin wise I mean) however.