Q & A with Mike Arnold

[Mike Arnold]

I have both Clomid and E-control.
How should i use them for my PCT?
And at what dosage?
Start the first week with Clomid, add E-control the second week?

Yes, use both. A SERM and AI combo is ideal for PCT. For short oral cycles such as this, 50 mg of Clomid/day for 30 days will suffice, while the e-control can also be used for 30 days at 3 caps/day.

Yes, you can add e-control starting the 2nd weeks, as it takes at least a week for estrogen levels to begin to climb to any meaningful degree.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Whats the highest dose I could use everyday year round? For sleep purposes...ive been using 50mg everyday with no problems at all. Im hoping I just answered my own question lol.

Are you asking me what the highest dose is you can use without encountering unacceptable side effects? I couldn't say, as you did not define what side effects/sererity of side effects isn't acceptable to you. All drugs have suide effecs, which tend to worsen at the dose goes up. However, I will say that 50 mg daily falls within what most people consider to be a normal range.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike, is it wise after a long period in a calorie deficit to jump into a bulk? I've read that the body is in fat storage mode so you will just put on what weight you lost. What happens if you were to add a PH such as super Tren when you up cals?

Taking advantage of a rebound is not a bad thing. In fact, most people experience their most rapid growth during a rebound phase and the only way you're going to grow maximally during that time period is by eating plenty of food. However, you don't want to eat so much that you begin putting on bodyfat at an unacceptable rate.

Obviously, using steroids is going to enable someone to use more calories for growth compared to someone who is drug-free. How much food you should eat to maximize growth without experiencing excessive fat gain is an individual thing and will be based on your own metabolic rate.

One last thing to keep in mind is that if you have gone long periods of time without eating certain macros (or eating very little of them), such as when following a low-carb diet, the body often slows the production of the enzymes necessary to digest those foods. So, if you fall into this category, you may want to take some time to gradually introduce those foods, so as not to retard the digestion process.

 

[Gaskoin]

Great. I have everthing on its way

 

[Gssuck]

Taking advantage of a rebound is not a bad thing. In fact, most people experience their most rapid growth during a rebound phase and the only way you're going to grow maximally during that time period is by eating plenty of food. However, you don't want to eat so much that you begin putting on bodyfat at an unacceptable rate.

Obviously, using steroids is going to enable someone to use more calories for growth compared to someone who is drug-free. How much food you should eat to maximize growth without experiencing excessive fat gain is an individual thing and will be based on your own metabolic rate.

One last thing to keep in mind is that if you have gone long periods of time without eating certain macros (or eating very little of them), such as when following a low-carb diet, the body often slows the production of the enzymes necessary to digest those foods. So, if you fall into this category, you may want to take some time to gradually introduce those foods, so as not to retard the digestion process.

Thanks for the reply. I was still eating around 175g of carbs a day when dieting, but it will be mainly carbs that gets increased now I've stopped. About 2000 calories cutting. I intended to ramp up to about 2600 (my maintenance) by the end of week 2 of tren and then full on bulk mode after that since the tren will have kicked in by then (probably about 3000 for me). Would you say this is too slow then?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Thanks for the reply. I was still eating around 175g of carbs a day when dieting, but it will be mainly carbs that gets increased now I've stopped. About 2000 calories cutting. I intended to ramp up to about 2600 (my maintenance) by the end of week 2 of tren and then full on bulk mode after that since the tren will have kicked in by then (probably about 3000 for me). Would you say this is too slow then?

Taking a week to work up to an increased calorie amount sounds reasonable. I could be wrong, but given my experiences with others, you will probably be able to increae your cals more than just 1,000 without putting on excess bodyfat.

 

[Rambostallone]

Desensitization is not something to fear. Desensitization, when used in this context, refers to the body's inability to respond to Hexarelin. In order to resensitize yourself, all you need to do is take a few days off--a week at best with severe desensitization. It is not something that causes permament or long-term damage.

CJC-1295 dac, when used alone, is nowhere near as effective for GH release as the aformentioned Mod & hex combo. In order to avoid desensitization with Hex & mod, just run it twice daily, 3 days per week...and on the other days, use Mod & GHRP-2, which doesn't cause densitization...or very minor densitization at worst.

The bottom line is that your GH levels will be much higher using a combination of Hex & Mod and GHJRP-2 & <od, rather than CJC-1295 dac by itself. It's not even close really.

Pinning gets old--I know, but at this time there is no way to get around it and still get optimal results.

I've read your articles from 2012 and from this year, and I'm surprised by your drastic change in views.

You don't believe that cjcdac will elevate igf1 levels better and longer then the ghrp/grf protocol? What concerns me with the spikes is the duration is not long enough to keep igf1 levels elevated. At the same time I believe I may be over thinking this, as once a spike occurs the gh is in the system.

I feel like theres 2 sides to this, the elevation of gh and the elevation of igf1. Igf1 is more important from the anablolic position isn't it?

 

[Ty060688]

Hey everyone, My names Tyler, I've been training now for about 3 years, and i came across possibly trying IronMag Labs 1-Andro as a starter, my question for anyone on here is is that a good starter.. also after cycling through it, what PCT from ironlabs would work the best, I came across the Anabolic-Matrix Rx, and the Advaced cycle support Rx as well, would those 2 support matrixs be fine for a PCT?


thanks much, look forward to hearing from anyone

Ty

 

[Soujerz]

In short, the answer is yes. Uusing higher doses of GHRP-2 and Ipam you will result in larger spikes in GH. However, I would NOT increase your dose of ModGRF1-29 (no dac) beyond 100 mcg per inject (150 mcg, max), regardless of how high your GHRP-2 or Ipam does goes. If you are going to increase the dose of anything, your money would be better spent on increasing the dose of GHRP-2 and Ipam, as the effectuiveness of the GHRP's is more dose dependent than ModGRF1-29.

However, I have a better idea. Implement Hexarelin. It is the strongest GHRP available and will blow your GH levels through the roof even when used at only 50 mcg per injection (when combined with 100 mcg Mod). This has been clinically proven (search Pubmed) At 5,000 mcg per vial, you would get 100 freakin' doses out of a single vial. It is far, FAR more coct-effective than Ipam....and works about 10X better at increasing GH levels, even when used at a fraction of the dose.

But...you can't use Hex all the time due to desnesitization issues. This doesn't mean you can't continually use it--it just mans you can't use it too frequently. I would add in Hex at 50-100 mcg (with 100 mcg Mod) 2X daily, but only on Mon/Wed/Fri. During the other times, use GHRP-2 with Mod. This will allow your Gh levesl to rise higher without spending more money...and will alos prevent desensitization from occuring with the Hex.

In my opinion, Ipam is really only suitable for pre-bed use at high dosages, but for most people, they would simply be better poff using only GHRP-2 & Mod and Hex & mod. It will cost less money and result in higher GH levels. You would need to use a very high dose of Ipam in order to equal the increase in GH you would get from a single inject of 250 mcg GHRP-2 & 100 mcg Mod. Yes, Ipam will maintain elevated GH levels for longer, which is good for when you are sleeping, but is it really cost-effective? Not for most people.

As far as prolactin and cortisol goes, it really isn't a big deal. When Hex is dosed at 50 mcg with 100 mcg Mod, there is only a small elevation in those hormones--not enough to cause any issues. The benefits far outweigh the negatives, which are almost non-existent. GHRP-2, even when dosed at 300 mcg per inject, does not cause a large spike in those hormones, either. Basically, you can take these drugs at very effectuve dosages and not have to concern yourself with prolactin or cortisol. Besides, if you use AAS, then cortisol is already being inhibited, which would pretty much negate any increase seen with the GH peptides.

As far as water retention goes, it varries according to the GH peptides being used, as well as dosage. Some GH peps cause more water retention than others. However, increased water retention is also indicative of high GH levels, so this is not necessarily a bad thing. In BP is a concern, take a blood presure supp, like Hawthorne Berry, which is included in IML's Advanced Cycle Support product. I can take multiple AAS that are all known to increase BP and still stay within a normal range when using that product. Others will tell you the same thing.

Mike i decided to research Hex like you said at 100mcg with 100mcg mod 2x daily on M, W, F only. I wanted to know with this dosing protocol should i still cycle the Hex? 4weeks on 4 weeks off? or does this MWF only dosing negate the need to cycle on and off. I will also research 200mcg GHRP-2 with 100mcg Mod 1x daily on MWF and 3x daily on Sun, Tues, Thurs, Sat. Also because Hex doesn't stimulate appetite i was planning on dosing on MWF AM GHRP-2 Postworkout HEX and Pre bed HEX? Any opinions?

 

[Mike Arnold]

I've read your articles from 2012 and from this year, and I'm surprised by your drastic change in views.

You don't believe that cjcdac will elevate igf1 levels better and longer then the ghrp/grf protocol? What concerns me with the spikes is the duration is not long enough to keep igf1 levels elevated. At the same time I believe I may be over thinking this, as once a spike occurs the gh is in the system.

I feel like theres 2 sides to this, the elevation of gh and the elevation of igf1. Igf1 is more important from the anablolic position isn't it?

My views didn't change on CJC dac, but over this last 6-8 months, I have seen other combinations of compounds work better--particularly programs involving Hex, GHRP-2, and Mod (all 3 in the ame program). Hex & Mmod is particularly powerful, having been shown capable of causing a spike in GH the equivalent of a full 20 IU injection of GH. That is massive and exceedingly impressive. Of course, this peak level is only maintained for a very short period of time. Still, levels will remain elevated within the curve for a coupole hours.

You're not ovethinking it--you're just missing important information. IGF-1 levels do not rise and fall quickly like GH levels. This is because IGF-1 levels do not require chronic elevations in GH to sustain them. Once IGF-1 levels become elevated, which can take days to weeks, they will remain more or less stable, assuming GH/GH peptide administration continues. In the same way, once GH peptides/GH is discontinued, it will take days to weeks for IGF-1 leves to return back to normal. This is why IGF-1 testing is often considered a more reliable method for testing GH levels--because of their stability.


Both the GH and IGF-1 promote growth. For a while it was thought that only IGF-1 promoted growth, but fairly recent research has shown that the GH molecule also promotes muscle growth, although our understanding in this area is still limited. However , IGF-1 is still the primary means by which GH provides its muscle-building effects.

Used correctly, the GHRP's and Mod are capable of elevating IGF-1 levels at least as long as an injection of GH, but it requires multiple daily injections.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hey everyone, My names Tyler, I've been training now for about 3 years, and i came across possibly trying IronMag Labs 1-Andro as a starter, my question for anyone on here is is that a good starter.. also after cycling through it, what PCT from ironlabs would work the best, I came across the Anabolic-Matrix Rx, and the Advaced cycle support Rx as well, would those 2 support matrixs be fine for a PCT?


thanks much, look forward to hearing from anyone

Ty

What you look consider 1-andro rather than the other products?

 

[Rambostallone]

My views didn't change on CJC dac, but over this last 6-8 months, I have seen other combinations of compounds work better--particularly programs involving Hex, GHRP-2, and Mod (all 3 in the ame program). Hex & Mmod is particularly powerful, having been shown capable of causing a spike in GH the equivalent of a full 20 IU injection of GH. That is massive and exceedingly impressive. Of course, this peak level is only maintained for a very short period of time. Still, levels will remain elevated within the curve for a coupole hours.

You're not ovethinking it--you're just missing important information. IGF-1 levels do not rise and fall quickly like GH levels. This is because IGF-1 levels do not require chronic elevations in GH to sustain them. Once IGF-1 levels become elevated, which can take days to weeks, they will remain more or less stable, assuming GH/GH peptide administration continues. In the same way, once GH peptides/GH is discontinued, it will take days to weeks for IGF-1 leves to return back to normal. This is why IGF-1 testing is often considered a more reliable method for testing GH levels--because of their stability.


Both the GH and IGF-1 promote growth. For a while it was thought that only IGF-1 promoted growth, but fairly recent research has shown that the GH molecule also promotes muscle growth, although our understanding in this area is still limited. However , IGF-1 is still the primary means by which GH provides its muscle-building effects.

Used correctly, the GHRP's and Mod are capable of elevating IGF-1 levels at least as long as an injection of GH, but it requires multiple daily injections.

Thanks for the response Mike. I now understand. I was under the impression gh had to remain elevated to increase igf levels. Thanks for clarifying this!!

 

[Benoit23]

Hey Mike,

I will be around 12-11 weeks out from a men's physique contest, depending on how soon I can get the supplies. I tried doing a bunch of research on what the best peptides (not interested in running any actual gear, so dont need advice on that) to use pre contest would be and there seems to be a ton of varying opinion. Some people say mod grf 1-29 alongside ghrp-2/6, but some say that takes 2-3 months to even start seeign results so not sure if that would be beneficial with my time table. Some say igf-1 lr3, but others say it causes a lot of water retention ... best dropped 4 weeks out maybe? How long of a cycle would you recommend of the igf-1 lr3 if you suggest that route (some say 50 days is okay, some say to keep it to 4 weeks ... not sure what your opinion on the intestinal growth associated with it is).

I guess I'm just looking for your recommendation as to what the best would be, whether its one of the ones i listed or something different, and the time period i should go about starting it and dropping it based on me only having around 12-11 weeks. If you could also recommend the spefied dosage you think is best of whatever you recommend that would be great as well.

I think that is enough info for you to understand what im looking for, but if not let me know.

I realize everyone may react differently, but just interested in your opinion as its one i trust and there seems to be so many varying opinions.

Thanks!

 

[Bodybuilda91]

Hey Mike,


I was just wondering if you could help me with a new cycle set up that I will be wanting to run. I was doing a lot of reading from some of your articles about running long cycles by alternating between methyls and non-methyls. I was thinking about running something like this, but would love any input or other ideas you had to offer.

Week 1-4

DMZ 3.0-1 cap ed(or two don't know if that would be pushing it while running a longer cycle)
EPI-Andro-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 5-8

(Thinking of adding in Supertrenabol as well at 3 or 4 caps)
Osta-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 9-16

Halo-3 caps ed
EPI-Andro-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 17-22

Nolva-20/20/20/20/10/10
E. Control-3 caps ed(starting in week 21 to prevent rebound)
Ultra male-1 cap ed
ACS-3 caps ed


I was thinking that this cycle could potentially work as there is a very strong compound to start with to build a good amount of size and strength, followed by a slow working product such as osta to help continue the gains stacked with super trenabol which could continue to produce nice dry gains, then a mild product such as halo to put on some more muscle mass and recomp towards the end of the cycle. I chose to run EPI-Andro throughout the methylated portions as it helps with keeping up energy and libido while also keeping me dry throughout, it could potentially also help combat any gyno that could appear. Would you suggest running EPI-Andro or 4-andro during the non methylated portion as well? I will make sure to run ACS throughout the whole cycle as it is an essential to any cycle. My goal during this cycle would be to gain at least 20-25 lbs over this whole cycle while leaning out as well.


My current weight is 200 after running a long term cut over the past few months. I have not been on a cycle since the end of April and have been cleared with bloodwork. I will make sure to get blood work done prior to the start of the cycle as well as following up every 3 weeks to make sure everything is within normal ranges.


As for my diet I plan on doing a break down of 35/45/20 (P/C/F) I am shooting to eat 6-7 meals a day, aiming for a minimum of 3,500 cals and a maximum of 4,200 cals.

I am planning on doing a strength program using an upper/lower split. I will be doing a modified 5x5 adding in some isolation moves as well. I will continue this program for about 8 weeks and then change it up to a higher volume program.



This is just something that I had in mind and will be happy to adjust based off any information or ideas that you have. I am looking to get back into the full swing of things after my move and transition into my new life and job. If you could help critique my whole program that would be greatly appreciated!

 

[ldog]

Mike,

Current scope:
Pellet TRT with Arimidex-High dose of implants every 3 months. This keeps my T level @1000 or more until next implant appt.
I like the Pellets because I can keep my T levels higher and the T dose bypasses my liver versus injections.
Previous recent experience with DMZ 3.0..45 day cycle...12-15 lb gain. Blood test after cycle showed all liver functions great...PSA improved.
Previous experience with various AAS over the last 15 years.
Blood test performed every 3 months.
Currently taking 14mg per day of Superdrol(Week 1)
I would like to experiment with a longer cycle of Superdrol...6 weeks.
Current diet is solid
Heavy water consumption daily
Advanced cycle support year round
Fish oil year round
Cissus year round
No alcohol or drug use

I understand that you have a strong knowledge of Superdrol(and other orals). Can you expand on your knowledge of this compound? Personal experience,dose,cycle length and anything else you deem appropriate.

I've come to the conclusion that the hysteria aimed at orals is somewhat over blown. I think one can use orals consistently if diet,water and supplement support are on target.

Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge for which there is no substitute.

L

 

[KingOfTheWorld]

1)to construct igf-1 lr3 .....0.6% AA ...All that is needed? Or add 1ml of bac water with it?

2)what kind of bac water is best to use with igf-1 and melanotan 2? ben alcohol or sodium chlor? (does it even matter?)

3) Last but not least....stacking clen and insulin for body recomp....synergy or each counteracts its effects?

Thanks a ton!

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hey Mike,

I will be around 12-11 weeks out from a men's physique contest, depending on how soon I can get the supplies. I tried doing a bunch of research on what the best peptides (not interested in running any actual gear, so dont need advice on that) to use pre contest would be and there seems to be a ton of varying opinion. Some people say mod grf 1-29 alongside ghrp-2/6, but some say that takes 2-3 months to even start seeign results so not sure if that would be beneficial with my time table. Some say igf-1 lr3, but others say it causes a lot of water retention ... best dropped 4 weeks out maybe? How long of a cycle would you recommend of the igf-1 lr3 if you suggest that route (some say 50 days is okay, some say to keep it to 4 weeks ... not sure what your opinion on the intestinal growth associated with it is).

I guess I'm just looking for your recommendation as to what the best would be, whether its one of the ones i listed or something different, and the time period i should go about starting it and dropping it based on me only having around 12-11 weeks. If you could also recommend the spefied dosage you think is best of whatever you recommend that would be great as well.

I think that is enough info for you to understand what im looking for, but if not let me know.

I realize everyone may react differently, but just interested in your opinion as its one i trust and there seems to be so many varying opinions.

Thanks!

What goals are you trying to achieve with peptide use?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hey Mike,


I was just wondering if you could help me with a new cycle set up that I will be wanting to run. I was doing a lot of reading from some of your articles about running long cycles by alternating between methyls and non-methyls. I was thinking about running something like this, but would love any input or other ideas you had to offer.

Week 1-4

DMZ 3.0-1 cap ed(or two don't know if that would be pushing it while running a longer cycle)
EPI-Andro-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 5-8

(Thinking of adding in Supertrenabol as well at 3 or 4 caps)
Osta-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 9-16

Halo-3 caps ed
EPI-Andro-3 caps ed
ACS-4 caps ed

Week 17-22

Nolva-20/20/20/20/10/10
E. Control-3 caps ed(starting in week 21 to prevent rebound)
Ultra male-1 cap ed
ACS-3 caps ed


I was thinking that this cycle could potentially work as there is a very strong compound to start with to build a good amount of size and strength, followed by a slow working product such as osta to help continue the gains stacked with super trenabol which could continue to produce nice dry gains, then a mild product such as halo to put on some more muscle mass and recomp towards the end of the cycle. I chose to run EPI-Andro throughout the methylated portions as it helps with keeping up energy and libido while also keeping me dry throughout, it could potentially also help combat any gyno that could appear. Would you suggest running EPI-Andro or 4-andro during the non methylated portion as well? I will make sure to run ACS throughout the whole cycle as it is an essential to any cycle. My goal during this cycle would be to gain at least 20-25 lbs over this whole cycle while leaning out as well.


My current weight is 200 after running a long term cut over the past few months. I have not been on a cycle since the end of April and have been cleared with bloodwork. I will make sure to get blood work done prior to the start of the cycle as well as following up every 3 weeks to make sure everything is within normal ranges.


As for my diet I plan on doing a break down of 35/45/20 (P/C/F) I am shooting to eat 6-7 meals a day, aiming for a minimum of 3,500 cals and a maximum of 4,200 cals.

I am planning on doing a strength program using an upper/lower split. I will be doing a modified 5x5 adding in some isolation moves as well. I will continue this program for about 8 weeks and then change it up to a higher volume program.



This is just something that I had in mind and will be happy to adjust based off any information or ideas that you have. I am looking to get back into the full swing of things after my move and transition into my new life and job. If you could help critique my whole program that would be greatly appreciated!

The cycle looks fine.

Adding epi-andro and/or 4-andro during the non-methylated portions of the cycle is up to you. There are at least a dozen effective non-methylated drugs on the market, so it all comes down to finances and goals.
Critique your "whole" program"?....as in diet, training, PED, suppement, etc? I could go on giving advice for weeks about each subject, but obvioiusly I don't have the time to do that, so you need to be a little more specific, brother.

 

[Benoit23]

What goals are you trying to achieve with peptide use?

Well, at the time i posted I was looking for something to help with cutting and preserving muscle while in a deficit, but as of now looking to the future it would be more along the lines of what would best assist in a bulking cycle eating 700-100 over maintenance while running a Test C cycle only (500mg - first cycle). I'd be interested to see what you would think may best pair with that to gain strength and remain as lean as possible. Hopin to put on around 20-30lbs in the 18 weeks.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike,

Current scope:
Pellet TRT with Arimidex-High dose of implants every 3 months. This keeps my T level @1000 or more until next implant appt.
I like the Pellets because I can keep my T levels higher and the T dose bypasses my liver versus injections.
Previous recent experience with DMZ 3.0..45 day cycle...12-15 lb gain. Blood test after cycle showed all liver functions great...PSA improved.
Previous experience with various AAS over the last 15 years.
Blood test performed every 3 months.
Currently taking 14mg per day of Superdrol(Week 1)
I would like to experiment with a longer cycle of Superdrol...6 weeks.
Current diet is solid
Heavy water consumption daily
Advanced cycle support year round
Fish oil year round
Cissus year round
No alcohol or drug use

I understand that you have a strong knowledge of Superdrol(and other orals). Can you expand on your knowledge of this compound? Personal experience,dose,cycle length and anything else you deem appropriate.

I've come to the conclusion that the hysteria aimed at orals is somewhat over blown. I think one can use orals consistently if diet,water and supplement support are on target.

Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge for which there is no substitute.

L

In almost all cases I consider 6 weeks to be the maximum cycle length for SD. Dosage never needs to exceed 30 mg daily. The main concern with orals over other AAS is their potentially negative effect on lipids. As far as being able to consistently run orals as long as diet, cycle support, and water intake is on target, I don't agree with that, but I guess it would depend on your interpreptation of "consistently", as well as what you consider acceptable in terms of side effects.

If by that statement you mean you can regularly run orals, or any AAS for that matter, for many years straight without any injurious effects to your cardiovascular system, you are mistaken. Steroids in general damage the cardiovascular system not just through altered BP, lipids, and hematocrit, but by causing left ventricular hypertrophy and impaired cardiac function. No matter what you do, you will not be able to escape all of these side effects and most steroids users, especially the ones who neglect cycle support, experience all of them.

The main difference between methyls (orals) and other AAS is that they have a pronounced effect on the lipids and liver. The liver can be dealt with through the use of a strong cycle suppoort product like Advanced Cycle Support. The product will assist with maintaining the lipid profile, as well, but you will almost certainly need to take other precautions to maintain proper lipid balance if methyls are going to be a mainstay in your program.

 

[bodybuilder1]

Hi Mike. I just recently ran a 10 week cycle on a cut. dmz 2.0 week 1-4 super tren week 1-10 epi smash week 7-10. I finished a 5 week pct one week ago and i am now using pct4 and apex male test booster just to bridge and maintain gains. I am thinking of cycling again at the end of this month as i am now bulking using mehta drol, super tren and epi smash. Is it too soon to cycle again? If so, how long should i stay off for? Last cycle went great with zero sides but i understand i will need blood tests to know if i am really good to go again.

 

[ldog]

Mike,

To answer your question, by "consistently" I mean 5 to 6 times a year six week cycles using various orals. Be it SD,DMZ 3.0 etc.

What would you consider a must to help with lipids for cardio health? Red Yeast rice with CO Q10? Anything else?

Grateful

L

In almost all cases I consider 6 weeks to be the maximum cycle length for SD. Dosage never needs to exceed 30 mg daily. The main concern with orals over other AAS is their potentially negative effect on lipids. As far as being able to consistently run orals as long as diet, cycle support, and water intake is on target, I don't agree with that, but I guess it would depend on your interpreptation of "consistently", as well as what you consider acceptable in terms of side effects.

If by that statement you mean you can regularly run orals, or any AAS for that matter, for many years straight without any injurious effects to your cardiovascular system, you are mistaken. Steroids in general damage the cardiovascular system not just through altered BP, lipids, and hematocrit, but by causing left ventricular hypertrophy and impaired cardiac function. No matter what you do, you will not be able to escape all of these side effects and most steroids users, especially the ones who neglect cycle support, experience all of them.

The main difference between methyls (orals) and other AAS is that they have a pronounced effect on the lipids and liver. The liver can be dealt with through the use of a strong cycle suppoort product like Advanced Cycle Support. The product will assist with maintaining the lipid profile, as well, but you will almost certainly need to take other precautions to maintain proper lipid balance if methyls are going to be a mainstay in your program.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hi Mike. I just recently ran a 10 week cycle on a cut. dmz 2.0 week 1-4 super tren week 1-10 epi smash week 7-10. I finished a 5 week pct one week ago and i am now using pct4 and apex male test booster just to bridge and maintain gains. I am thinking of cycling again at the end of this month as i am now bulking using mehta drol, super tren and epi smash. Is it too soon to cycle again? If so, how long should i stay off for? Last cycle went great with zero sides but i understand i will need blood tests to know if i am really good to go again.

How often one runs methyls is really a personal decision and many factors play into it. For example, if someone is just getting started with orals and only plans on running a few cycles and then stopping, they could easily use the 50% on/50% off schedule, but a guy who plans on using orals for 15 years is not going to want to do that. However, I will tell you that the better you are able to maintain your cardiovascular and liver health markers (blood pressure, cholesterol, hematocrit, liver enzymes) both ON and OFF cycle, the better off you will be. I always recommend Advanced Cycle Support--both ON and OFF cycle, for as long as orals remaina part of your program.

Anyway, if you have only run a few cycles, you could go back on-cycle now if you wanted to. You already did a 5 week PCT, so there is no problem going back on. Just keep in mind that the longer methyls remain part of your program, the less frequenly you should run them, while placing an ever-greater emphasis on preventative health care.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike,

To answer your question, by "consistently" I mean 5 to 6 times a year six week cycles using various orals. Be it SD,DMZ 3.0 etc.

What would you consider a must to help with lipids for cardio health? Red Yeast rice with CO Q10? Anything else?

Grateful

L

So like half the year, basically? I wouldn't recommend doing that long-term. Doing that for the first year is probably fine, but using methyls 50% of the time for years on end will have derimental affect on your cardiovascular health. Many of these negative effects can be ameliorated, but they cannot be completely eliminated. With your frequency of use, I recommend you begin relying more on non-methylated injectables, while using orals to supplement your injectable use. I love orals---even better than injectable because they produce effects so rapidly, but we need to exhibit some restraint in their use if we plan on using AAS for years to come. I consider 3 months of methyl on-time per year to be plenty for a long-term steroid user--and even then, I suggest he take several measures to protect cardiovascular health. Shorter-term uses can get away with the 50% ON/50% OFF plan.

 

[bodybuilder1]

How often one runs methyls is really a personal decision and many factors play into it. For example, if someone is just getting started with orals and only plans on running a few cycles and then stopping, they could easily use the 50% on/50% off schedule, but a guy who plans on using orals for 15 years is not going to want to do that. However, I will tell you that the better you are able to maintain your cardiovascular and liver health markers (blood pressure, cholesterol, hematocrit, liver enzymes) both ON and OFF cycle, the better off you will be. I always recommend Advanced Cycle Support--both ON and OFF cycle, for as long as orals remaina part of your program.

Anyway, if you have only run a few cycles, you could go back on-cycle now if you wanted to. You already did a 5 week PCT, so there is no problem going back on. Just keep in mind that the longer methyls remain part of your program, the less frequenly you should run them, while placing an ever-greater emphasis on preventative health care.

After a lot of thinking i am not sure what way i want to run this cycle. Here is what i am thinking -
week 1-4 metha drol 2caps e/d
week 5-12 super tren 6caps e/d
week 7-12 epi smash 5caps e/d

I am thinking maybe i should start my cycle with epi smash first and finish strong with metha drol? Should i up the dose of tren? I ran tren at 6caps during my last cycle and loved it with zero sides and huge strength gains. Also, would 4 andro be any benefit to this cycle? This is my 5th cycle just in case you thought maybe this is too much too soon ha

 

[Rambostallone]

Hey Mike,

When I was on 500mgs of test my lipids were

HDL 39
LDL 149
TOTAL 197
RATIO 5.1
Triglycerides 47

I am now mid cycle on 500mgs of test, 600mgs of tren, and a designer oral containing 10mgs msten, 20mgs dmz, and 25mgs hexadrone. I just got a call from the nurse saying my recent blood work is showing a total cholesterol of 215 and a ratio of 11.3! This means my HDL has tanked.

I know on cycle lipids get jacked but how bad is this? Should I be very concerned? I was just about to drop the orals and add masteron for 10 weeks, this cycle started around 5 weeks ago. Not sure if I should do that now?

Regards
Rambo

 

[Soulja]

Hey Mike got a couple questions myself, I'm having a hard time nailing down the benefits and actual studies on the following compounds.
I'm looking into prop & sus250 and trying to find out what each compounds benefits have against each other from one to the other... and is there one specific from to the other which will help more on the side of putting on mass?
Also, can both compounds and/or orals be used under the same cycle & would it really yield benefit for this type of regime?
Dosing for a beginner/intermediate user is also something that hasn't been quiet clear for me either... as well as proper pct
Thanks for your time to look into this for me & look forward to your response.

 

[Adrenolin]

Hey Mike got a couple questions myself, I'm having a hard time nailing down the benefits and actual studies on the following compounds.
I'm looking into prop & sus250 and trying to find out what each compounds benefits have against each other from one to the other... and is there one specific from to the other which will help more on the side of putting on mass?
Also, can both compounds and/or orals be used under the same cycle & would it really yield benefit for this type of regime?
Dosing for a beginner/intermediate user is also something that hasn't been quiet clear for me either... as well as proper pct
Thanks for your time to look into this for me & look forward to your response.

It really seems like you just haven't researched much of anything and are looking for spoonfed answers, but anyways..

Test prop and Sust are the same thing. They're both testosterone, the only difference being in their ester, in how quickly the release into being utilized by the body. Propionate is a short ester and will have pronounced noticeable effects more quickly than Sust. With the shorter ester, it's also slightly less prone to aromatization. Prop is most efficiently used in an every other day inj protocol, and can be used in the beginning of a longer estered cycle as a kickstart whilst the longer esters are building up to begin pronouncing their effects, typically the first 3 wks of a cycle.

Sust is a blend of estered testosterones, it releases into the body at multiple rates, and can be effective dosed at only twice per week.

As I said both are testosterone, either can be used to gain mass provided you EAT enough to gain mass. You can take all the steroids in the world and you're not going to gain mass if the caloric surplus isn't in the equation.

Let's see what you have an idea of thus far. What would you be considering as a first cycle, including dosages and PCT? I'll help you tweek it as needed.

 

[Soulja]

What would you be considering as a first cycle, including dosages and PCT? I'll help you tweek it as needed.

This is what I have come up with so far,

Weeks 1-8 Prop 100 @ 1ml three times a week
Weeks 9 Clomid @ 100mg e/d
Week 10 Clomid @ 50mg e/d
Weeks 11-12 Nolva @ 20 mg e/d

Reason why I asked about orals as well was if I could take the halo/4-Andro cycle the 1st 4 weeks prior to running the inj. cycle also?
Thanks for your reply'

 

[Mike Arnold]

After a lot of thinking i am not sure what way i want to run this cycle. Here is what i am thinking -
week 1-4 metha drol 2caps e/d
week 5-12 super tren 6caps e/d
week 7-12 epi smash 5caps e/d

I am thinking maybe i should start my cycle with epi smash first and finish strong with metha drol? Should i up the dose of tren? I ran tren at 6caps during my last cycle and loved it with zero sides and huge strength gains. Also, would 4 andro be any benefit to this cycle? This is my 5th cycle just in case you thought maybe this is too much too soon ha

It doesn't really matter what you start with. It is purely up to you. Do you want to begin or end with the effects each products provides--that is the question you need to ask yourself. 4-Andro will help keep your T level out of the dumpster when on-cycle, as AAS suppress natural T production. If you want to avoid the side effects associated with severelty deficient T levels, then yes, 4-andro will be benefical. If you don't care--then not so much.