Starting a short but Bad-Ass cycle

[Ktaylor966]

I completed my final day of a 3- week cycle BSL Alpha-1. I will now begin a 3-week cycle of M-Sten(3 caps/day) & 4-Andro (5 caps/day). I'll include BSL Gear Support & IML E-Control (3 caps/day).
Ill keep everyone posted on progress as I have some high expectations from this cycle.

 

[heavyiron]

Sounds good but just fyi, IML advanced cycle support is a superior product.

 

[Ktaylor966]

Sounds good but just fyi, IML advanced cycle support is a superior product.

i have a bottle of that! Thx for suggesting, I'll use it instead of gear support. If I cut back to 2 caps of M-Sten instead of using 3/day to alleviate potential sides, will I still be pleased with results? I weigh 190 lbs if that makes a difference.
By the way, I had planned on using Liv52 along with Gear Support.

 

[heavyiron]

Liv 52 is a great product to use with advanced cycle support.

 

[Ktaylor966]

there lies the potential problem. All expectations lead to frustration. Not sure why, but it's been true in my experience. Something in the nature of expecting itself, one leads to the other. Try it and see

Not looking for a huge weight gain. Just a solid, dry 5 lbs gain.

 

[ebfitness]

the problem is not about huge weight gain, or 5 lbs, or 2lbs, or 10 lbs... the problem is in expectation itself

Way to bum everyone out, Biggie.

 

[Ktaylor966]

Okay Socrates.....now that we've had the philosophy lesson.... you make me regret even mentioning the fuckin' word "expectation." Listen, at my age (47) if the gains aren't that great it won't cause me mental-ruin. Obviously I'll make gains from M-sten & 4-Andro. I eat extremely clean and train my ass off in the gym. Let's leave it at that and drop this thread into oblivion....

lol but it's true... I'm just uncovering the fallacy... how many times have you expected something to happen, and something completely different happened alltogether... then u're left frustrated. The frustration is because of expectation. Life turns out the way it turns out, we don't really have a say-so. We can try, of course, but huff and puff as much as we'd like that house is impossible to blow down.

Just the way things are. If we drop expectation tho, then everything that happens is unexpected, adds to the mystery

And then 5lbs, or 10lbs, or 15lbs, everything is equally appreciated cuz you get what you get, there's no expectation so there's no frustration, then whatsoever happens is just dandy. Then it's just a pure experience

 

[BTModule]

Hey I am looking to start this cycle, I am new to PHs. Do you think its reasonable to expect 15lbs in a 6 week cycle on 4-Andro RX and DecaDrol?
Please review my cycle:

Cycle
WEEKS 1 - 6
Decadrol MAX
4 caps daily

4-Andro
4 caps daily

Advanced Cycle Support
3 caps daily

PCT
Weeks 7 - 12
Advanced Cycle Support
3 caps daily

Weeks 7 - 10
Clomid
1mL [50mg] daily

Weeks 10 - 12
E-Control
3 caps daily

 

[BTModule]

Okay sorry dude.
This thread in of itself does not answer my question or the creators questions.. which is why I asked my question.

There is a reasonable expectation for any product, hence the fact that your purchasing it (If the product had no degree of promise and result expecations then you wouldn't likely buy it, otherwise you would be a gambler, not a body builder). Research shows that there are reasonable expectations for users. Im just asking whether my "goal" (NOT EXPECTATION.. Sorry...) is a reasonable goal for the time allotted.

Now I understand that anything CAN come up in ones life, but I am asking my question under the presumption that I will remain committed, go to the gym 4-5 times a week, train my ass off, keep a good diet, take the supplements on time and PCT well... because I will

 

[BTModule]

Sure thats understandable. Thanks that was really helpful and makes sense. I get where your coming from from that standpoint for sure.
I think the best thing I can do is try my first cycle.

Deca is unmethylated so I think it will be a good run. My second run I am going to stack Msten and DecaDrol and then for my 3rd/4th Cycles I think SDMZ looks good and someday I would also like to try BSL Andro-1. I think these products look really quality and combining with EpiTren they could be pretty insane!

 

[tonyfortress]

hahaha "socrates", think i pissed myself!

 

[RoadstarPete]

"Socrates" is right on this one.
Don't even bother planning future cycles until you are at least mostly through the current cycle. More than likely you will have a different perspective once your 1st cycle is under your belt. No harm in pondering the possibilities though.
I am impressed to see an individual choose to run a single compound for their 1st cycle. Always a smart idea.
Personal opinion, drop the e-control. It is not needed for such a mild cycle especially since you are wisely using a SERM for PCT.
Good luck and enjoy the wonderful world of ph's/aas!

 

[BTModule]

Yeah thanks!
I was really wondering why E-control would be needed on an unmethylated, single compound cycle that does not aramotize and Im using a SERM in PCT
Everything you and 'Socrates' said makes sense. Ill follow that advice and it seems like a good piece of advice!

I might log the transition but if nothing else, will be checking in frequently to clear up any questions throughout the cycle.
Cant wait to get started!

 

[BTModule]

Drop that beat Socrates, Yeah I ordered it anyway figuring what you said above. Im pretty much rolling "better safe than sorry" -- especially for my first run!

 

[RoadstarPete]

I would highly recommend picking up some Nolva/Tamox. Keep it on hand in case gyno symptoms appear. Hardcore Peptides has a great price on it.....especially with a coupon code.

 

[MatthewWolman]

lol but it's true... I'm just uncovering the fallacy... how many times have you expected something to happen, and something completely different happened alltogether... then u're left frustrated. The frustration is because of expectation. Life turns out the way it turns out, we don't really have a say-so. We can try, of course, but huff and puff as much as we'd like that house is impossible to blow down.

Just the way things are. If we drop expectation tho, then everything that happens is unexpected, adds to the mystery

And then 5lbs, or 10lbs, or 15lbs, everything is equally appreciated cuz you get what you get, there's no expectation so there's no frustration, then whatsoever happens is just dandy. Then it's just a pure experience

this man just spoke volumes not only in bodybuilding and fitness goals but life in general. you just saved my life man ^_^

 

[ebfitness]

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