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Hello everyone, I've been in and out of the gym since I was 15 now 41. I've been reading about doing a super dmz cycle but sounds like I need to start with something less and work into it. Right now all I'm doing is protein and creatine. Weight 196. Would love to get the results that's DMZ 3.0 will give but want to do it right. Where is a good place to start and work up to it? I'm sure this has been asked a million times before so sorry for that... Please help me get this journey started I can't wait I'm frickin jacked up and ready to start just need some educated advice. Thanks guys!
 
Beginners Stack:
PRODUCTS NEEDED:
Halo Extreme - 1 Bottle
4-Andro Rx - 1 Bottle
Ultra Male Rx - 1 bottle
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 1 bottle
E-Control Rx - 1 bottle


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FIRST 4 WEEKS:
Halo Extreme - 2 caps daily (1 cap taken two times daily)
4-Andro Rx - 2 caps daily
Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily


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LAST 4 WEEKS:
Ultra Male Rx - 1 cap daily
Advanced Cycle Support Rx - 2 caps daily
E-Control Rx - 3 caps daily
 
Hi and welcome to the forums. the people here are great. here is what I just ran(still running) as a first cycle and I had good results so far and no side effects. Halo is a good first cycle compound. your results will obviously mostly depend on diet and exercise.

Week 1-6
Halo Extreme 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
4-Andro 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed at least 3h apart from PH))

Week 7-10
Nolva 20mg ed (prior to bed) (could be replaced with Clomid 50mg ed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

Week 10-12
E-Control 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

in the weeks 1 to 6 you could exchange the 4andro with Epi-Andro for 4 caps ed (2 in the morning, 2 in the evening or all upon waking)

I'm sure some of the more experienced users will chime in shortly as well. don't be afraid to ask questions =)
 
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fobz said:
Hi and welcome to the forums. the people here are great. here is what I just ran(still running) as a first cycle and I had good results so far and no side effects. Halo is a good first cycle compound. your results will obviously mostly depend on diet and exercise.

Week 1-6
Halo Extreme 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
4-Andro 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed at least 3h apart from PH))

Week 7-10
Nolva 20mg ed (prior to bed) (could be replaced with Clomid 50mg ed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

Week 10-12
E-Control 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

in the weeks 1 to 6 you could exchange the 4andro with Epi-Andro for 4 caps ed (2 in the morning, 2 in the evening or all upon waking)

I'm sure some of the more experienced users will chime in shortly as well. don't be afraid to ask questions =)
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Great post. Agreed on all points.

I'd also recommend you reading through this announcement, and consider grabbing some Flex Rx and Essence EFA to keep your joints healthy.
How to Maximize your Prohormone Cycle Gains

Hardcore Peptides is a great place to get your SERM, ie Nolva or Clomid. There is a discount for their products in my signature as well.
 
Awesome thanks for the guidance. So after this cycle how log should I wait to start the next cycle and what is a good next cycle? Super DMZ cycle?
 
Chris72 said:
Awesome thanks for the guidance. So after this cycle how log should I wait to start the next cycle and what is a good next cycle? Super DMZ cycle?
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It's recommended to take off at least an equivalent amount of time that you spent on the cycle + pct... so in your case, take off at the very minimum 12wks from any hormonals. The best way to know when it's safe for you to begin your next cycle is to get pre and post cycle blood work. I have a sticky in the supplement section detailing how to go about this.

For a second cycle, I'd recommend Epi-Andro Wks 1 - 8 at 4 caps daily stacked with M-Sten Wks 5 - 8 at 2 caps daily
+ supports, PCT, etc
 
Ok thanks, so if I'm right I need :
2x halo
2x 4-andro
2x acs
1 ultra male
1x e- control
1x nolva
other than busting my ass at the gym and a good diet how do you figure a good intake as far as calories,protein,fats,ect ?
 
Also what is a good line up of stacks...
begin with halo extreme then ? Then ? And so on.. and is it good to work up or can you skip say the halo e and jump to something a little more potent. I guess what I'm saying is if I'm gone do it I'm gonna do it and if I can skip something to achieve a faster result then I'm in...lol
 
Ok so I'm going with what fobz posted for my first cycle and adrenolin agreed on all points but what about adding in some osta? And where should I put it in my cycle? In the begining or in the pct?
 
Chris72 said:
Ok so I'm going with what fobz posted for my first cycle and adrenolin agreed on all points but what about adding in some osta? And where should I put it in my cycle? In the begining or in the pct?
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Ostarine (main compound in Osta RX) is suppressive at a high enough dose so I wouldn't run it during pct.
I would run it for at least 8 weeks at 3 caps a day (you'll need 2 bottles) and I would start it two weeks before the Halo and 4(or Epi) andro.

I would run it like this:

Week 1-8
Osta Rx 3 caps ed (upon waking)

Week 3-8
Halo Extreme 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
4-Andro 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed at least 3h apart from PH))

Week 9-12
Nolva 20mg ed (prior to bed) (could be replaced with Clomid 50mg ed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

Week 12-14
E-Control 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)

again you can replace the 4Andro with the Epi-Andro at 4 caps ed.
 
Ok going to place order is there anything I'm missing? Or other advice to give?


Week 1-8
Osta Rx 3 caps ed (upon waking)


Week 3-8
Halo Extreme 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
4-Andro 3 caps ed (all upon waking or 2 in the morning and 1 in the evening)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed at least 3h apart from PH))


Week 9-12
Nolva 20mg ed (prior to bed) (could be replaced with Clomid 50mg ed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)


Week 12-14
E-Control 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Advanced Cycle Support 3 caps ed (prior to bed)
Ultra Male 1 cap ed (prior to bed)


Cart
2 x osta
2 x halo
2 x 4 andro
2 x asc
1 x ultra male
1 x e control
1 x nolva...

Thanks!
 
I respect your opinion on the on the andro adrenolin and will do just that. What do you feel the difference would be tho?
 
Chris72 said:
I respect your opinion on the on the andro adrenolin and will do just that. What do you feel the difference would be tho?
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It's just as mild in terms of sides, and will boost libido and help prevent lethargy, just like 4 andro. However it will provide very lean dry vascular gains, and doesn't aromatize to estrogen like 4 andro. It will also bring it's share of strength and also help inn burning fat. I recommend it to help improve the efficiency of any cycle...
 
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