Why is e control necessary when ultra male decreases estrogen by 35%?

[Vad117]

I just don't get it.. Especially when taking products that don't aromatize in the first place... It just seems redundant. Also, why can't one take epistane through the cycle and pct and leave out the econtrol? It seems to me Epi has all the benefits of e control plus muscle building tendencies

 

[chez]

Epistane for pct is all wrong.

First off, the reason you engage in pct in the first place is because your test production has been shut down and you need to restore it quickly to keep as many of your hard earned cycle gains as possible. Epistane will keep you shut down.

Read this link for an in depth look at the whole picture.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Vad117]

I was just curious about the Epi thing. But thanks for the link! And so ultra male restarts test production and boosts it significantly while decreasing estrogen...that seems like te ideal product for total pct all in one (minus organ support of course)...why is e control in te picture in the first place?
Speaking of serms, they are for restoring hpta, lh, and gh correct? Does ultra male do any of that? I'm just trying to logic all this out and cut out any unnecessary expenditures. Plus I have a tendency to over analyze once and a while

 

[Vad117]

Ok. Read that link...tbh I should have read it before replying. My bad...but anyway...so I read on here before that econtrol is an ai and I now see its function... But that still doesn't explain it's use if estrogen is already being reduced.

 

[Vad117]

Yea I get that but why is it necessary at all if ultra male does the same thing? Sorry for all te questions

 

[chez]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...rs-gyno-post-cycle-therapy-pct-must-read.html

Ultra Male is a natural testosterone booster. Thats its primary function. Its used in conjunction with a SERM to keep testoerone levels high while blocking estrogen at the receptor. Ultra Male has been shown to reduce estrogen, but E-Control is used to prevent rebound estrogen flooding, after the SERM+Ultra Male combo is used.

 

[Benoit23]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...rs-gyno-post-cycle-therapy-pct-must-read.html

Ultra Male is a natural testosterone booster. Thats its primary function. Its used in conjunction with a SERM to keep testoerone levels high while blocking estrogen at the receptor. Ultra Male has been shown to reduce estrogen, but E-Control is used to prevent rebound estrogen flooding, after the SERM+Ultra Male combo is used.

This, plus E-Control has been shown useful in combatting gyno signs such as itchy/puffy nipps while on cycle and can make them go away by dosing it for a few days ... can also help control water retention ... just throwin a little more info at you

 

[ebfitness]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...rs-gyno-post-cycle-therapy-pct-must-read.html

Ultra Male is a natural testosterone booster. Thats its primary function. Its used in conjunction with a SERM to keep testoerone levels high while blocking estrogen at the receptor. Ultra Male has been shown to reduce estrogen, but E-Control is used to prevent rebound estrogen flooding, after the SERM+Ultra Male combo is used.

This, plus E-Control has been shown useful in combatting gyno signs such as itchy/puffy nipps while on cycle and can make them go away by dosing it for a few days ... can also help control water retention ... just throwin a little more info at you

^^all that


also they do not do the same thing; for the purposes of cycling anabolics ultra male is not an effective AI

All of this.

 

[Vad117]

Sweet guys I think I get it now. Thanks so much! So as a pct to msten+4 andro,
Week 1-3 pct: 20mgs nolva, 1 cap Ed ultra
week 3-5: 20mgs nolva eod, 1 cap Ed ultra male, 2? Caps Ed econtrol
Week 5-6: 1 cap Ed ultra male, 2? caps Ed econtrol--until it runs out