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Hi,

I very new to this! i have only recently been pointed to your product (Deca-Drol) and have been reading a lot about prohormones in general for the last 2-3 weeks before taking the plunge (excited and a little scared)

Please advise what you think of my plan and any tweaking you see fit.

Just some stats.
I am 25yo
Weigh 165 pounds
Height 5'8
BMI 14-15

Stats on compound lifts
Bench - 176 pounds
Dead lift - 220 pounds
Squat - 220 pounds

I would love to increase my lifts, size and muscle quality while decreasing body fat! 176 pounds is my goal weight.

I plan to take blood on the weekend to ensure my liver is healthy (im sure it is!) mainly for assurance as i just finished taking doxylin for acne.
and binge drinking almost every Friday for the past month or so.
And assurance for other newbies in this forum (i plan on logging my progress and taking blood after cycle).

I will be cycling for 8 weeks:
First 4 weeks
Deca-Drol MAX 3caps daily with Ultra-Sten 2caps daily for 4 weeks (no support).

Second 4 weeks
Deca-Drol MAX 3caps daily, Halobolin 1cap daily (50mg) with cycle Armor only during the last 8 weeks.

Clean diet plan (and no drinking for at least 3 months!)
200 Carbs
300 Protein
100 Fat

Workout
Was thinking of doing Rippetoe's Starting Strength (all compounds every second day, some arms here and there).
Or body splits of 10 reps - 3 sets, not training for more than 3 consecutive days or resting for 2 consecutive days.
With 15-20 minutes of cardio after weightlifting, heart rate at 120-140.

additional supplements:
Green tea
Zma
Fish oil
Preworkout ext go / coffee
Creatine

I will take any suggestions on board so please advise, main concern is that I am only taking cycle armor during the last 4 weeks - but that is what I have been recommended by a friend who has also cycled on the same products, but i know everyone is different! would like others opinion on this.

Cheers all
 
Looks good,

I would include some advanced cycle support, and some e-control.

What does your pct look like?
I'd really like to see you increase your strength a bit more before jumping in. You pose a risk of getting injured by gaining to much strength to quickly.

What does your current workout routine look like? How long have you been lifting?

Nothing to be scared about, just be informed and educated, and have everything on hand before starting.

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Ultra Sten? May I suggest IML's MSten, by far the cleanest on the market. However no methylated compound is clean enough to take with no support. As stated by OSL, take you advanced cycle support. No sense in taking chances with your health.

IML has put together a stack similar to yours....

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Also you will need to have a solid PCT plan in place. Let us know if you need help with that. Otherwise please share it with us!
 
Thank you sirs.

Youre right however I have plateau on my lifts. Will incorporating 3-4 sets of planks 2x a day help prevent injury? And massage ones a week during the cycle?

My current workout routine looks like:
A
Squat 3 sets of 5
Bench press 3 sets of 5
Dead lift 3 sets of 5

Rest

B
Squat 3 sets of 5
Barbell row 3 sets of 5
Military press 3 sets of 5

Rest

Back to A

Doing arms and abs here and there if I have enough energy.

Increasing weight weekly if possible.

PCT
I asked my friend about this and he suggested that taking cycle armor during the second half of my cycle was sufficient enough. This is a worry and glad youse asked.

I will ask him about it again. And let youse know whats available. Hes my only contact for these (theyre hard to come by in sydney). So I dont know if he will have the best selection.

Do youse recommend I take cycle armor throughout my cycle instead of just second half?
 
Cycle armor is not pct.

Pct is a post cycle therapy. The point of it is to bring your natural test levels back quickly.

You will need e-control, a serm, ultra male at the bare minimum.

By not following that protocol you run the risk of gyno, libido loss, gains lost and many other related side effects.

We will happily lay out a PCT plan for you if you would like.
 
chez said:
Ultra Sten? May I suggest IML's MSten, by far the cleanest on the market. However no methylated compound is clean enough to take with no support. As stated by OSL, take you advanced cycle support. No sense in taking chances with your health.

IML has put together a stack similar to yours....

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Also you will need to have a solid PCT plan in place. Let us know if you need help with that. Otherwise please share it with us!
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This x2^^^
 
Alright, i will be getting another cycle armor so i will be taking that for the duration of my 8 week cycle!

and for PCT, how long do you recommend i run it for?
I have also been recommended to run just the following for PCT:

Nolva and Ultra male.

Looks a little - too little in comparison to others PCT, and noticed some only recommend to have NOLVA readily available incase of gyno but not to really take during PCT? a little confused.
Please advise if this PCT is no good and what you would recommend.

thanks!
 
thanks for the article, very informative.
A lot to take in but lots of effort has been put to allow newbies like me to learn.
I understand why nolva is a favored SERM. will definately use this for my PCT!

Can HCG be taken orally? or only via syringe? If only by syringe can you recommend another product that works similar to HCG or is this where ultra-male comes into play? I also noticed that ultra-male contains 2000 iu of VIT E which was recommended on the article! winning.

and i will be checking if i can get my hands on aromasin, it is apparently hard to come by?

Thanks
 
Hcg is a protocol that is used in testosterone replacement therapy and is (I believe) by subcutaneous injection only. Its great but is typically used in long AAS cycles that are 12 weeks+. Ultra male will be perfect for your needs.

If you need help with getting aromisin or nolva just check the moderators signatures for links and discount codes. Feel free to pm any of us anytime for further assistance.
 
Advanced Cycle Support is great for on cycle protection. Ultra Male is good for PCT or you can use a SERM.
 
Exactly what heavy said^^^
 
cool thanks, I won't use HCG on my PCT and will do the following:

Week 1-2
Nolva 20mg
Ultra male 1 cap
Week 3-4
Nolva 10mg
Ultramale 1 cap
Week 5-6
Nolva 10mg

is this OK?

I know it was suggested to get Aromasin, will I get away without it?
I spoke to my mate earlier today and he thinks this PCT looks good, he even advised aromasin might be too powerful for this cycle and might become counter productive.
If you think i should take it, i will get it nonetheless. thanks
 
Thanks chez I will try to get my hands on this e control from IML.
Youve been a great help and feel a lot more confident in taking my PH!
Its my first ever cycle and I guess everyone was in my position ones too.
 
got my blood results, please advise if youse see anything wrong - or a concern that would make you think i shouldnt start my cycle:
I wasnt sure what to list out, so just putting the obvious.

Testosterone: 24.6 nmol/L
Vitamin B12: 703 pmol/L
Creatine Kina: 433 U/L (was advised normal range were from 0-190, doctor advised to stop with creatine
25 OH Vit D: 58
Chol: 5.1
Uric Acid: 0.40
HDL: 2.2
LDL: 2.7

Liver
T.Bilirubin: 16
TP: 70
Albumin: 41
GLB: 29
ALK PHOS: 69
GGT: 24
ALT: 28
AST: 39
LDH: 194

Doctor advises all is gone, her only advise was to stop creatine lol.
 
For a short 4-5 week oral steroid cycle, a simple PCT is fine. The following would work great for you. These products can be purchassed through Superior Hardcore Peptides, which is the sister company of IML.

PCT (begin as soon as cycle ends)
Weeks 1-4: Clomid @ 50 mg/day.
Weeks 2-5: E-control (or other A.I.) @ 3 caps/day.
 
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So its time for my very first cycle!
Before I start I would just like to clarify whether the time the caps are digested important? Pre / post and if its safe/recommended (or not) to take two orals together at a given time. E.g

Deca drol 1 cap ultra sten 1 cap after breakfast
Deca drol 1 cap ultra sten 1 cap after lunch/ pre workout/(5-6 hours later)
Deca drol 1 cap (5-6 hours later)
 
riceorpasta said:
So its time for my very first cycle!
Before I start I would just like to clarify whether the time the caps are digested important? Pre / post and if its safe/recommended (or not) to take two orals together at a given time. E.g

Deca drol 1 cap ultra sten 1 cap after breakfast
Deca drol 1 cap ultra sten 1 cap after lunch/ pre workout/(5-6 hours later)
Deca drol 1 cap (5-6 hours later)
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The way you have it laid out is fine. Consistency is the key (try to take same times every day). Two orals together is fine also.
 
chez said:
The way you have it laid out is fine. Consistency is the key (try to take same times every day). Two orals together is fine also.
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Thanks again chez.
I got e-control by img coming in the next couple of days.

How would you recommend I dose it with nolva and ultra during pct?
My current plan:

Week 1-2
Nolva 20mg
Ultra male 1 cap
Week 3-4
Nolva 10mg
Ultramale 1 cap
Week 5-6
Nolva 10mg
 
How long have you been doing starting strength and did you begin to stall?
 
Start E control on week three and run it at 3 caps per day (morn, afternoon, night). After week four taper down the dose to two times a day then to one cap per day to get your hormone levels to balance out.
 
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