Howarth's Second Cycle! Msten & 4-Andro

ebfitness said:
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Hey EB when would you cut if you were in my shoes? Currently fluctuating around 205 and 19% BodyFat. I guess I have 160 or so LBM which means I would need to get to 180 to reach 10%, which is where I would like to go. I was originally planning on continuing bulk for at least the rest of the year but I don't really want to get much fatter, and off cycle the gains for another month or 2 won't be that much.
 
Obviously you can cut whenever you want, but I'd at least wait till you're completely done with PCT.
 
Yea agree with EB. You want to remain eating in a surplus at this time.
 
Oh yeah I would continue my surplus all the way through PCT. I remember my last cycle my maintenance was pretty high 3000+ just to not lose any weight haha!

I just gotta see dem abs
 
Howarth17 said:
Oh yeah I would continue my surplus all the way through PCT. I remember my last cycle my maintenance was pretty high 3000+ just to not lose any weight haha!

I just gotta see dem abs
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You young kids and dem abs. Lol. Just kidding with you Howarth. I enjoyed following your log here this month
 
LatRaze said:
You young kids and dem abs. Lol. Just kidding with you Howarth. I enjoyed following your log here this month
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Thanks man! How many cycles in before you tried dmZ? Idk what my next cycle will be...

How ow long would you wait after pct to cut? I just don't wanna lose all my gains haha!!
 
Welcome. It was my sixth cycle. Next one is November 8 and either SDMZ again or just Msten + 4-andro.

With the cutting I never cut that close after a cycle, I'm still bulking right into my next cycle then I'll cut. But what I'm going to do is gradually reduce calories and not be too aggressive with my deficit at first and I'll see how it goes in terms of strength etc.
 
PCT Day 22

Leg press machine: 250x20, 310x20, 350x15, 370x12, 390x10

Hack squat: 110x20, 150x20, 170x15, 200x12, 240x10

Lying leg curl: 80x20, 100x15, 110x12

Switching to single leg standing

leg curl 25x15, 50x12, 75x8

Leg extension: 175x20, 190x20, 205x15, 220x15, 235x12, 250x8
 
PCT Day 23

Rest day! Noticing increased vascularity from e-control. Really like being all vascular :cool:

Anyone know if M-Sten is same DHT wise as Epi-Andro is? Haven't experienced anything hair loss related from m-sten, but I'm hesitant to try Epi-Andro...
 
I would have no knees left if I got that high on leg extension. At 250, you don't feel knees?

Enjoy your rest day Howarth!
 
LatRaze said:
I would have no knees left if I got that high on leg extension. At 250, you don't feel knees?

Enjoy your rest day Howarth!
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It's not plate loaded so who knows what it really is.. but I think I kind of cheat... my ass comes off the seat and I use my arms a lot to get a lot of leverage...
 
PCT Day 24

Bench press: 135x12, 155x10, 175x5, 185x4, 205x2, 225xnopelol

Incline hammer strength: 45x12, 70x9, 70x10, 70x8, 70x8, 80x5

Dumbbell fly: 30x12, 30x12, 35x10, 35x10, 40x9

Chin up: 48x10, 48x10, 48x10, 48x10, 48x10

Lat pulldown: 90x12, 105x12, 120x10, 135x8, 135x8

Hammer strength row: 45x12, 70x10, 90x10, 100x10, 115x8
 
PCT Day 25

Behind neck shoulder press: 95x12, 115x12, 135x12, 155x10, 175x5

Hammer strength shoulder: 45x12, 55x12, 70x10, 80x10, 70x12

Seated lateral raise: 20x12, 20x12, 25x12, 25x12, 25x12

Ez bar cable curl: 110x12, 110x12, 125x12, 125x12, 125x12

Rope hammer curl: 110x12, 110x12, 110x12, 110x12, 125x12

Dumbbell preacher curl: 25x12, 25x12, 30x12, 35x12, 35x12

Cg bench: 115x12, 115x12, 135x8, 135x5, 115x8

Assisted dip: 40x12, 30x12, 30x12, 30x12, 30x12

Tricep cable push down: 110x12, 110x12, 125x12, 125x12, 125x12


I gotta do more hammer curls... need some thickness to my arms! Back up to 210!
 

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LatRaze said:
Sure thing. What's your next cycle? Any plans? In starting one next Saturday. Yay. My lifts have gone down post PCT, not happy but they'll increase in November.
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Well I'm on my regular PCT til the end of this week and then continuing with e-control for another 2 weeks... Then, I'm not sure when exactly, I'm gonna start to cut. Depending on how that goes I may give Epi-Andro a try to get really lean but that depends on what I can accomplish natty...
 
Howarth17 said:
Well I'm on my regular PCT til the end of this week and then continuing with e-control for another 2 weeks... Then, I'm not sure when exactly, I'm gonna start to cut. Depending on how that goes I may give Epi-Andro a try to get really lean but that depends on what I can accomplish natty...
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That's what I'm going to use. Epi Andro + Msten.
 
PCT Day 26

Leg press machine: 250x20, 290x20, 330x15, 370x12, 390x10

Standing single leg curl: 25x20, 35x20, 45x15, 55x12, 65x12

Hack squat: 150x20, 200x15, 220x13, 240x12, 260x8

Leg extension: 175x20, 190x20, 205x15, 220x15, 250x10
 
Hey guys what should I do if I fell asleep last night before taking my final e control ,ultra male and serm..?
 
Being like a total of 4 e control and 2 um and 2 doses of serm
 
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