Howarth's Second Cycle! Msten & 4-Andro

Day 3 PCT

Day 2 of PCT was rest day. Today was chest/back. Felt kinda weak doing my inclines today... Went for 145 for 8 but my chest like turned off after 7...

Decline bench:
135x12, 155x10, 175x6, 185x5, 225x1

Incline bench:
115x12, 135x10, 145x7, 145x3, 135x7

Dumbbell fly:
20x12, 25x10, 30x8, 30x8, 30x8

Chin up:
50x10, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8

Barbell row:
95x12, 105x10, 115x8, 115x8, 135x8

T bar row:
90x12, 125x10, 135x8, 135x8, 180x8
 
Howarth17 said:
Day 2 of PCT was rest day. Today was chest/back. Felt kinda weak doing my inclines today... Went for 145 for 8 but my chest like turned off after 7...

Decline bench:
135x12, 155x10, 175x6, 185x5, 225x1

Incline bench:
115x12, 135x10, 145x7, 145x3, 135x7

Dumbbell fly:
20x12, 25x10, 30x8, 30x8, 30x8

Chin up:
50x10, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8, 50x8

Barbell row:
95x12, 105x10, 115x8, 115x8, 135x8

T bar row:
90x12, 125x10, 135x8, 135x8, 180x8
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No biggie, just keep your cals high and you should be fine. Sometimes people start thinking, "I'm in PCT, I'm weak now." The PH wouldn't be out of your system yet anyway...just keep eating, lifting, and resting. :)
 
Just got my body fat tested with the Bod Pod method. I got 19.9%... Lean Body Mass of 162 pounds. Gonna try to figure out what weight I can get to to be around 10/12%
 
Probably shouldn't have but I just did some bicep/triceps. Really pissed off and had to get out of the house. Didn't go too heavy cause I usually do them tomorrow and I don't wanna fuk up my schedule

P.S. EB i recall you posting somewhere in the forums how you like to have an occasional sip of a certain kind of beverage ;) How does one partake in such actions without totally messing up their gains. After PCT of course
 
Things like E-Control will block estrogen and cortisol. Vitamin C will also block cortisol. Protein will block cortisol and keep you anabolic, especially slow digesting protein. Advanced Cycle Support will keep organs and blood pressure healthy. So...that's my nightly mix, lol!
 
Do any of you guys know if you become lactose intolerant if you don't drink milk for a while? Used to chug the stuff as a kid but I just started drinking it again and I have been all gassy and bloated... Figured its an easy way to get some cals in so might as well
 
Howarth17 said:
Do any of you guys know if you become lactose intolerant if you don't drink milk for a while? Used to chug the stuff as a kid but I just started drinking it again and I have been all gassy and bloated... Figured its an easy way to get some cals in so might as well
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It may just be that you're not used to it since you haven't had it for a while. But it is possible to get new food allergies over time.
 
How much did you drink to cause those symptoms?
 
Probably only a cup or a little over. My friend said it could have been me eating a ton of protein as well. Feeling like I've been breathing fire down there haha
 
Day 5 PCT: Legs

Barbell squat: 45x20, 115x15, 135x10, 205x8, 225x5,

Hack squat: 60x20, 110x15, 160x10, 180x8, 180x8

Leg extension: 160x20, 175x15, 185x12, 195x10, 210x8

Leg curl: 70x20, 90x15, 100x12, 110x10, 115x8
 
Felt a lot better today. I only took 1 scoop pre workout and had an apple before lifting. Didn't really feel as out of breath and wanting to hurl today and doing chin ups felt really good along with my rows. Could really feel it in my back

Decline bench: 95x12, 135x10, 155x8, 185x5, 205x1

Incline bench: 115x12, 135x10, 140x6(2), 140x8, 140x7

Dumbbell flyes: 25x12, 30x10, 30x10, 35x8, 35x8

Chin up: 60x10, 60x10, 60x10, 60x10, 60x10

Barbell row: 95x12, 105x10, 115x10, 135x8, 135x8

T bar row: 115x12, 135x10, 160x8, 160x8, 160x8
 
Howarth17 said:
Felt a lot better today. I only took 1 scoop pre workout and had an apple before lifting. Didn't really feel as out of breath and wanting to hurl today and doing chin ups felt really good along with my rows. Could really feel it in my back

Decline bench: 95x12, 135x10, 155x8, 185x5, 205x1

Incline bench: 115x12, 135x10, 140x6(2), 140x8, 140x7

Dumbbell flyes: 25x12, 30x10, 30x10, 35x8, 35x8

Chin up: 60x10, 60x10, 60x10, 60x10, 60x10

Barbell row: 95x12, 105x10, 115x10, 135x8, 135x8

T bar row: 115x12, 135x10, 160x8, 160x8, 160x8
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I can't build any lats if I don't do pullups/chinups with emphasis on pullups. Dunno how some don't incorporate those yet have wings. Genes I suppose.

Good you are feeling better Howarth.
 
LatRaze said:
I can't build any lats if I don't do pullups/chinups with emphasis on pullups. Dunno how some don't incorporate those yet have wings. Genes I suppose.

Good you are feeling better Howarth.
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Thanks! Yeah I really envy those with huge lats. I think they're one of the more impressive qualities on the body when they are big and developed. My left lat is a little underdeveloped than my right but once they're equal in size I should have some good width to my back. Oddly enough I feel it more from doing chin ups rather than pull ups / lat pulldowns. All I feel is in arms when I do those...
 
Howarth17 said:
Thanks! Yeah I really envy those with huge lats. I think they're one of the more impressive qualities on the body when they are big and developed. My left lat is a little underdeveloped than my right but once they're equal in size I should have some good width to my back. Oddly enough I feel it more from doing chin ups rather than pull ups / lat pulldowns. All I feel is in arms when I do those...
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If you are feeling those lats working then that's all that matters. Yes they are impressive.

I'm concentrating more on those to offset my wide waist/hips.
 
LatRaze said:
If you are feeling those lats working then that's all that matters. Yes they are impressive.

I'm concentrating more on those to offset my wide waist/hips.
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Hey Lat I got a question for ya... When do you decide to move up in weight? Idk if I should be trying to get my weight up still in PCT or just retain the numbers I was doing while on cycle... I just don't want to spin my wheels lol
 
Howarth17 said:
Hey Lat I got a question for ya... When do you decide to move up in weight? Idk if I should be trying to get my weight up still in PCT or just retain the numbers I was doing while on cycle... I just don't want to spin my wheels lol
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Im always adding weight each time but I watch my form, the muscle- to see if it's working and not working other muscles.

Like say seated rows. If I go up too high on those I feel my forearms working, my back tweaking but not much ROM or feeling the back working which tells me that I went up too high.

Try out an increase in weight and see how it feels. Is the targeted muscle contracting fully? Am I feeling it more in the untargeted muscle, etc.
 
LatRaze said:
Im always adding weight each time but I watch my form, the muscle- to see if it's working and not working other muscles.

Like say seated rows. If I go up too high on those I feel my forearms working, my back tweaking but not much ROM or feeling the back working which tells me that I went up too high.

Try out an increase in weight and see how it feels. Is the targeted muscle contracting fully? Am I feeling it more in the untargeted muscle, etc.
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What about rep wise? What do you do with that once you increase? Lately I've been doing somewhat of what EB suggested and for decline bench for instance I did this:

bar x 15, 95x12, 135x10, 155x8, 185x5, 205x1

Would you try to keep reps the same and just increase the weight each increment?
 
I guess the answer is if training for hypertrophy or strength.

I keep the reps lower to gain strength but higher for hypertrophy.

If I were going up on weight I use how many reps I can do without sacrificing form.

Like if I increased weight and can only get two reps say on a lat pulldown, that would tell me I increased too much weight and I lower it to get into the range depending on if training for strength or hypertrophy.

I tend to use the hypertrophy amount for bulking and strength for cutting but I believe it's best to combine both of those during cuts/bulks.
 
LatRaze said:
I guess the answer is if training for hypertrophy or strength.

I keep the reps lower to gain strength but higher for hypertrophy.

If I were going up on weight I use how many reps I can do without sacrificing form.

Like if I increased weight and can only get two reps say on a lat pulldown, that would tell me I increased too much weight and I lower it to get into the range depending on if training for strength or hypertrophy.

I tend to use the hypertrophy amount for bulking and strength for cutting but I believe it's best to combine both of those during cuts/bulks.
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That's why a power-building scheme gives you the best of both worlds. :)

Btw, I was always a chin-up/pull-up dynamo, but didn't get any back growth till I started doing more heavy deadlifts and bent-over barbell rows...everyone's different though.
 
ebfitness said:
That's why a power-building scheme gives you the best of both worlds. :)

Btw, I was always a chin-up/pull-up dynamo, but didn't get any back growth till I started doing more heavy deadlifts and bent-over barbell rows...everyone's different though.
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I noticed that as well with me. I started doing my barbell rows with my back parallel to the floor with a real wide grip I feel it in my lats soooo much more. I used to only have a slight bend and pull up toward my waist. I do like doing chin ups tho :D
 
Howarth17 said:
I noticed that as well with me. I started doing my barbell rows with my back parallel to the floor with a real wide grip I feel it in my lats soooo much more. I used to only have a slight bend and pull up toward my waist. I do like doing chin ups tho :D
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Bb rows are great. I can't do them no longer heavy as I want to due to back pain and I'm older. But I do them on the seated cable row area with the long bar, not as good though as bent over but I didn't want to completely give them up.

Everyone's different with back, mine responded best to pullups but they also kill my forearms especially this week.
 
Day 7 PCT

Behind neck press: 85x12, 95x10, 105x8, 105x8, 110x5

Arnold press: 35x12, 40x10, 45x10, 50x8, 50x8

Lateral raise: 20x12, 20x12, 25x10, 25x10, 30x8

Barbell curl: 65x12, 70x12, 70x12, 70x12, 70x9

Incline curl: 25x12, 25x12, 25x11, 25x12, 25x12

Cc curl: 20x12, 20x12, 20x12, 20x12, 20x12

Cg bench: 115x12, 115x12, 115x11, 115x12, 115x11

Overhead Tricep: 45x12, 45x12, 45x12, 45x12, 45x12

Rope pulldown: 95x12, 95x12, 95x12, 95x12, 95x12
 
Day 8 PCT

Barbell squat: 45x20, 115x5, 135x10, 185x8, 225x5, 275x3

Hack squat: 60x20, 110x15, 160x10, 180x8, 190x8

Lying leg curl: 70x20, 90x15, 100x12, 110x10, 115x8

Leg extension: 160x20, 175x15, 185x12, 195x10, 210x10
 
Any particular reason my triceps seem to not go as far down as Steve Cook's? Or is it because his are just bigger?
 

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I'm sure many on here have met pros. Good question about who's as big as them on here!

I'm still friends with some. I learned tons from Jim Quinn who trained me once.

In Golds in Venice I saw most of them in the great 90s era of bodybuilding. I was amazed at the size! Paul Dillet in person training next to me is enormous.

Some passed away too. Mike Martarrazzo this past August.
 
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