Halo Extreme - Cutting Cycle

Howarth17 said:
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Wow you look great Howarth!
Great work.
 
Thanks guy! Getting close to where I'd like to be. Haven't really been weighing out my food so I'm not sure if I've been eating at my calories 100% but I've been trying to get the same sized foods everyday to make it easier (mainly grilled chicken & bread, hard boiled eggs / nuts for fats). Got another week left for clen and probably around the same for my Halo then it's time for maintenance calories and PCT! Can't wait!
 
Howarth17 said:
Thanks guy! Getting close to where I'd like to be. Haven't really been weighing out my food so I'm not sure if I've been eating at my calories 100% but I've been trying to get the same sized foods everyday to make it easier (mainly grilled chicken & bread, hard boiled eggs / nuts for fats). Got another week left for clen and probably around the same for my Halo then it's time for maintenance calories and PCT! Can't wait!
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Drop the bread; watch how quickly you tighten up.
 
Howarth17 said:
:o I'm already at 125g.. Why drop the bread?
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The less starch and simple carbs on a cut (especially a hard one) the better. Eat more green veggies in place of bread...guarantee you'll tighten up fast.
 
ebfitness said:
The less starch and simple carbs on a cut (especially a hard one) the better. Eat more green veggies in place of bread...guarantee you'll tighten up fast.
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Should i replace the caloried with fats or just leave em? 225 protein 67 fat low carb
 
Also would I want to avoid carbs during pct it wait until after pct when I cut again?
 
Howarth17 said:
Also would I want to avoid carbs during pct it wait until after pct when I cut again?
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If you're trying to stay lean and tight (less water retention) you can keep carbs low. Fats are important during PCT to aid in recovery.
 
ebfitness said:
If you're trying to stay lean and tight (less water retention) you can keep carbs low. Fats are important during PCT to aid in recovery.
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Eb, I read that in a keto state <50g carbs a day; you don't want to eat a whole lot of protein because the body will still want to use glucose as energy and will take it from protein/muscle through glycogenesis... Any thoughts?
 
LatRaze said:
Howarth, interesting article by Lyle M. on this:


http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/how-many-carbohydrates-do-you-need.html/

Scroll down to thIs paragraph:

How Many Carbs Do I Need to Spare Protein Loss?
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Good article! I was reading a different one by him earlier it was called losing fat for athletes or something. Anyway 50g would be no problem for me :P on PCT. I'll ramp up the fats to help with natural test production and get my carbs from peanuts! Gonna start up the keto style on Sunday or Monday.. That's when My PCT starts
 
Howarth17 said:
Good article! I was reading a different one by him earlier it was called losing fat for athletes or something. Anyway 50g would be no problem for me on PCT. I'll ramp up the fats to help with natural test production and get my carbs from peanuts! Gonna start up the keto style on Sunday or Monday.. That's when My PCT starts
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Good plan. Yea I like his articles.

You are looking great Howarth.

Good job.
 
Howarth17 said:
Eb, I read that in a keto state <50g carbs a day; you don't want to eat a whole lot of protein because the body will still want to use glucose as energy and will take it from protein/muscle through glycogenesis... Any thoughts?
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Howarth17 said:
Good article! I was reading a different one by him earlier it was called losing fat for athletes or something. Anyway 50g would be no problem for me :P on PCT. I'll ramp up the fats to help with natural test production and get my carbs from peanuts! Gonna start up the keto style on Sunday or Monday.. That's when My PCT starts
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Yup, that article's pretty much spot on.
 
LatRaze said:
Good plan. Yea I like his articles.

You are looking great Howarth.

Good job.
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Hey lat you know how you said you usually never go much higher than 1g/LB for protein... Even so when on ph? Because of increased protein synthesis..?
 
Howarth17 said:
Hey lat you know how you said you usually never go much higher than 1g/LB for protein... Even so when on ph? Because of increased protein synthesis..?
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I usually stay around that but it always comes out to be higher cause I like protein.

The research shows lower however it said that those on unusually high anabolics might need more than the researched .82g/lbs.

It's not going to hurt to go higher than 1g/lbs to err on the safe side. Again most end up higher than that anyways.
 
LatRaze said:
I usually stay around that but it always comes out to be higher cause I like protein.

The research shows lower however it said that those on unusually high anabolics might need more than the researched .82g/lbs.

It's not going to hurt to go higher than 1g/lbs to err on the safe side. Again most end up higher than that anyways.
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Yeah I understand, I just hate this grilled chicken here at the college cafe lol
 
Howarth17 said:
Yeah I understand, I just hate this grilled chicken here at the college cafe lol
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Well im sure you'll be fine, most of us consume enough protein not to phuck up muscle retention/synthesis.
 
I don't need to reverse diet do I? I'm at 2000 right now and figure I'll hop back to 2700 calories for maintenance. Can I just go from 2000 to 2700 one day? Also don't think I'm gonna do keto but I'll bring my fats up. How high do they need to be for PCT?

Right now I'm thinking 200g protein, 290 carbs, 82 fat. Or would 200P/310C/73F be better?
 
I've done it both ways: reverse and jumped right into it, didn't notice too much difference in the long run but nowadays I do reverse diet to chill out the GI symptoms of bloat, water weight etc.

Think your macros are fine either way as long as protein/fat minimums are met.
 
LatRaze said:
I've done it both ways: reverse and jumped right into it, didn't notice too much difference in the long run but nowadays I do reverse diet to chill out the GI symptoms of bloat, water weight etc.

Think your macros are fine either way as long as protein/fat minimums are met.
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Think I'll run with 1g for protein miniumum (gonna keep at 200 while in PCT) and what about fat? .4 or .45?
 
Howarth17 said:
Think I'll run with 1g for protein miniumum (gonna keep at 200 while in PCT) and what about fat? .4 or .45?
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The PhD dudes on bb.com use .45g/lbs in their replies so that's what I use as minimums but of course you can go higher provided your staying within your target daily kcals.
 
Howarth17 said:
I don't need to reverse diet do I? I'm at 2000 right now and figure I'll hop back to 2700 calories for maintenance. Can I just go from 2000 to 2700 one day? Also don't think I'm gonna do keto but I'll bring my fats up. How high do they need to be for PCT?

Right now I'm thinking 200g protein, 290 carbs, 82 fat. Or would 200P/310C/73F be better?
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Remember, you have to find out what your current maintenance is...and reverse dieting is definitely the safer option.
 
ebfitness said:
Remember, you have to find out what your current maintenance is...and reverse dieting is definitely the safer option.
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Yeah the calculation was for 182 pounds. Also switching my lifting style to an upper lower split 2x a week,, MT-ThF Gonna focus on getting my numbers up for a while
 
Howarth17 said:
Yeah the calculation was for 182 pounds. Also switching my lifting style to an upper lower split 2x a week,, MT-ThF Gonna focus on getting my numbers up for a while
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Howarth how is the upper lower split going and how's the clen treating you?
 
LatRaze said:
Howarth how is the upper lower split going and how's the clen treating you?
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Really good. I like the split, it makes the progressive overload really easy to understand. You do various rep ranges, take 8-12 for instance.

If you do 3 sets and the top one hits the max (12) and the other to are both in the 8-12 zone, you move up in weight. If you don't get all three sets in the range, with the first set at the top, you don't and continue until you do. Really easy for me to understand haha.

And the clen is also going good. Tomorrow last day, then 2 weeks off. I've stayed at 100mcg and no sides really other than shaking, head aches haven't come back just been a lil chilly. Looking forward to eating more on maintenance and getting my BF tested monday! Hoping I'm sub 15 at least, lol. Will let you guys know
 
Good to hear all's well there, nice w/o there! Keep us posted.
 
Aright guys. Pct time

40/40/20/20 for nolva
1 cap UM
2 cap ACS


e control will start halfway through.
 
Bleh I mean 20/20/10/10. Not sure why I keep saying 40 haha
 
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